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32 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

Craig Murray is a UK senior diplomat turned whistleblower, author, blogger and human rights activist. He resigned as Britain's Ambassador to Uzbekistan after revealing that the UK government knowingly used intelligence obtained by torture. The next decade he lived "as a dissident where I have devoted my life to exposing, and trying to counter, the evil of the neo-conservative policy pursued by our political class at the behest of the corporations who fund them. I have suffered a huge loss in money, status and most of the other normal aspirations. But what I have gained is invaluable. I have respect and love, while Blair and Straw will forever be despised." 
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https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Craig_Murray 

 

for craig murray to deepen his awakening he would need to understand that the neocons and the progressives are controlled at the top by the same cabal who are behind cartelist capitalism as a stepping stone towards state-socialist technocracy then he'd really be rocking this whole thing

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On 12/17/2019 at 1:46 PM, muir said:

 

for craig murray to deepen his awakening he would need to understand that the neocons and the progressives are controlled at the top by the same cabal who are behind cartelist capitalism as a stepping stone towards state-socialist technocracy then he'd really be rocking this whole thing


No-one is perfect  :O) 

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The lesson they have learnt is never to admit they lied, never to admit they were wrong. They see the ghost-like waxen visage of Tony Blair wandering around, stinking rich but less popular than an Epstein birthday party, and realise that being widely recognised as a lying mass murderer is not a good career choice. They have learnt that the mistake is for the Establishment ever to admit the lies. 
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/the-terrifying-rise-of-the-zombie-state-narrative/ 

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10 hours ago, Basket Case said:

No-one is perfect  :O) 

 

no one needs to be perfect. They just need to pull their head out of their schving-schving and see that both wings of the system are beholden to powerful interests

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12 hours ago, Basket Case said:

The lesson they have learnt is never to admit they lied, never to admit they were wrong. They see the ghost-like waxen visage of Tony Blair wandering around, stinking rich but less popular than an Epstein birthday party, and realise that being widely recognised as a lying mass murderer is not a good career choice. They have learnt that the mistake is for the Establishment ever to admit the lies. 
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/the-terrifying-rise-of-the-zombie-state-narrative/ 

 

1 hour ago, muir said:

 

no one needs to be perfect. They just need to pull their head out of their schving-schving and see that both wings of the system are beholden to powerful interests


How about a comment on his latest piece ?

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6 hours ago, Basket Case said:

How about a comment on his latest piece ?

 

i agree with what he is saying...the bolden bit is true for may issues including 911 truth, vaccine safety, the dangers of wifi and 5G etc

 

''If the Iraq WMD situation occurred today, and the security services decided to brazen it out and claim that WMD had indeed been found, there is not a mainstream media outlet that would contradict them.

The security services outlet Bellingcat would publish some photos of big missiles planted in the sand. The Washington Post, Guardian, New York Times, BBC and CNN would republish and amplify these pictures and copy and paste the official statements from government spokesmen. Robert Fisk would get to the scene and interview a few eye witnesses who saw the missiles being planted, and he would be derided as a senile old has-been. Seymour Hersh and Peter Hitchens would interview whistleblowers and be shunned by their colleagues and left off the airwaves. Bloggers like myself would be derided as mad conspiracy theorists or paid Russian agents if we cast any doubt on the Bellingcat “evidence”. Wikipedia would ruthlessly expunge any alternative narrative as being from unreliable sources. The Integrity Initiative, 77th Brigade, GCHQ and their US equivalents would be pumping out the “Iraqi WMD found” narrative all over social media. Mad Ben Nimmo of the Atlantic Council would be banning dissenting accounts all over the place in his role as Facebook Witchfinder-General.

Does anybody seriously wish to dispute this is how the absence of Iraqi WMD would be handled today, 16 years on?

If you do wish to doubt this could happen, look at the obviously fake narrative of the Syrian government chemical weapons attacks on Douma. The pictures published on Bellingcat of improvised chlorine gas missiles were always obviously fake. Remember this missile was supposed to have smashed through ten inches of solid, steel rebar reinforced concrete.''

 

''What we are seeing is the terrifying rise of the zombie state narrative in Western culture. It does not matter how definitively we can prove that something is a lie, the full spectrum dominance of the Establishment in media resources is such that the lie is impossible to kill off, and the state manages to implant that lie as the truth in the minds of a sufficient majority of the populace to ride roughshod over objective truth with great success. It follows in the state narrative that anybody who challenges the state’s version of truth is themselves dishonest or mad, and the state manages also to implant that notion into a sufficient majority of the populace.

These are truly chilling times.''

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/the-terrifying-rise-of-the-zombie-state-narrative/

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1 hour ago, muir said:

It follows in the state narrative that anybody who challenges the state’s version of truth is themselves dishonest or mad, and the state manages also to implant that notion into a sufficient majority of the populace.


Thanks for commenting. For some reason this thread gets little in the way of comments despite being viewed 2000+ times.
For someone who worked for 'the establishment' for quite some years, his views and blog continually astound me.
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l'm surprise you didn't also extend the bold text to the part l quoted above. Seeing how DI and his work (and probably this forum) is viewed by the general public.
 

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2 hours ago, Basket Case said:

l'm surprise you didn't also extend the bold text to the part l quoted above. Seeing how DI and his work (and probably this forum) is viewed by the general public.

 

the problem we have is that events are now happening so fast....its like there is a quickening going on as the cabal rush headlong into the final phase of their plans

 

This means that by the time the independent media manages to overturn one false narrative the events have moved on and the publics attention has moved on to something else

 

The system is a constant lie factory and as each lie is destroyed or undermined it is being replaced by ten more about the next sequence of events. By creating this partisan drama in politics they have divided the public into competing teams that no longer seem to care about the truth about things just so long as they support their team on every issue

 

Its only going to lose its power when people step out of it all in large number

 

 

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3 hours ago, Basket Case said:

Thanks for commenting. For some reason this thread gets little in the way of comments despite being viewed 2000+ times.
For someone who worked for 'the establishment' for quite some years, his views and blog continually astound me.

 

Yes it´s a shame more people on this forum don´t contribute.

Craig Murray - The United Kingdom: A Gangster State

https://www.davidicke.com/article/491184/craig-murray-united-kingdom-gangster-state

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/08/a-gangster-state/

 

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45 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

Yes it´s a shame more people on this forum don´t contribute.

Craig Murray - The United Kingdom: A Gangster State

https://www.davidicke.com/article/491184/craig-murray-united-kingdom-gangster-state

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/08/a-gangster-state/

 

 

"Even keen to extend the contracting out of state violence for profit to the military sector by the deployment of mercenary soldiers, which New Labour itself consciously rebranded as “private military companies”. Iraq was a major exercise in this with British government contracted mercenaries often outnumbering actual British troops.

 
The contracting out of state violence for private profit ought to be unthinkable to any decent person..."

Fucking outrageous !!! :classic_ohmy:

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1 hour ago, muir said:

 

the problem we have is that events are now happening so fast....its like there is a quickening going on as the cabal rush headlong into the final phase of their plans

 

This means that by the time the independent media manages to overturn one false narrative the events have moved on and the publics attention has moved on to something else

 

The system is a constant lie factory and as each lie is destroyed or undermined it is being replaced by ten more about the next sequence of events. By creating this partisan drama in politics they have divided the public into competing teams that no longer seem to care about the truth about things just so long as they support their team on every issue

 

Its only going to lose its power when people step out of it all in large number

 

 


There does indeed seem to be a quickening of mass madness.
l'm not holding my breath for enough people to step out as quickly though... :classic_sad:

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6 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

There does indeed seem to be a quickening of mass madness.
l'm not holding my breath for enough people to step out as quickly though... :classic_sad:

 

i'm listening to a truth stream media clip 'wait who runs the world' in which they are saying that they have stopped commenting so much on items from the daily news cycle because they think it is all a massive distraction from the bigger story and to an extent i agree with them (clip can be viewed here: http://truthstreammedia.com/2019/12/07/wait-who-runs-the-world/

 

yes there is all this crazy stuff going on around the world as if the chaos is spreading but right here on our doorstep the technocracy is rolling out before out eyes eg with the 5G roll out and facial recognition and smart cities and autonomous vehicles and the onward march of automation and artificial intelligence and there is no broad resistance to any of it

 

if anything people are embracing the tech!

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7 minutes ago, muir said:

 

i'm listening to a truth stream media clip 'wait who runs the world' in which they are saying that they have stopped commenting so much on items from the daily news cycle because they think it is all a massive distraction from the bigger story and to an extent i agree with them (clip can be viewed here: http://truthstreammedia.com/2019/12/07/wait-who-runs-the-world/

 

yes there is all this crazy stuff going on around the world as if the chaos is spreading but right here on our doorstep the technocracy is rolling out before out eyes eg with the 5G roll out and facial recognition and smart cities and autonomous vehicles and the onward march of automation and artificial intelligence and there is no broad resistance to any of it

 

if anything people are embracing the tech!


l'll take a look/listen, thanks.
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So.....we should collectively (alternate media/forums/posters/commenters  should pick one or two issues and focus ?
 

5G gets my vote.
(edit; and any military strikes)

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2 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

l'll take a look/listen, thanks.
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So.....we should collectively (alternate media/forums/posters/commenters  should pick one or two issues and focus ?
 

5G gets my vote.
(edit; and any military strikes)

 

no i'm not saying pick one or two topics and focus. I'm saying that behind all the noise and clamour of the daily news cycle we should keep our eyes focused on the advance of the end game of the elites which is a global technocracy run by them

 

if we don't share their vision for the future we need to have an open discussion about what their vision really means for the world and what our alternative options are

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6 minutes ago, muir said:

 

no i'm not saying pick one or two topics and focus. I'm saying that behind all the noise and clamour of the daily news cycle we should keep our eyes focused on the advance of the end game of the elites which is a global technocracy run by them

 

if we don't share their vision for the future we need to have an open discussion about what their vision really means for the world and what our alternative options are


Okay.
So the alternative question then  is what do we not focus on ?
The obvious being celebrity gossip etc...

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Okay.
So the alternative question then  is what do we not focus on ?
The obvious being celebrity gossip etc...

 

its more that if we don't step back from it all occasionally to take in the wider picture we can get bogged down in the minutae

 

the conspiracy touches on everything so you could discuss the conspiracy through almost any subject area but the point i'm making is that what is the point of understanding one area to the exclusion of the master scheme?

 

we need to join the dots to see the whole picture

 

 

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3 minutes ago, muir said:

 

its more that if we don't step back from it all occasionally to take in the wider picture we can get bogged down in the minutae

 

the conspiracy touches on everything so you could discuss the conspiracy through almost any subject area but the point i'm making is that what is the point of understanding one area to the exclusion of the master scheme?

 

we need to join the dots to see the whole picture

 

 

 

That's why l read lcke and visit this forum.
He seems to be a Master Dot Connector.
And on the whole, this forum seems the most grounded of any 'alternative forums'.......unless you can point me to equally level headed forums ?
I already (for many many years) refuse to watch TV, l read and listen to music, so l consider myself 'undistracted'.
Most of my friends and family think me a little odd......but l'm more than happy with my views and outlook, even though it goes against the stream.
As soon as l accidentally hear/become aware of a breaking news item, my natural and immediate thought is that the opposite is almost definitely true, and l quickly find a source to confirm my initial thoughts.
l share my views gently whenever l can.
What more to do ?
 

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2 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

That's why l read lcke and visit this forum.
He seems to be a Master Dot Connector.

 

yeah he is!

 

2 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

And on the whole, this forum seems the most grounded of any 'alternative forums'.......unless you can point me to equally level headed forums ?

 

it's a great forum but i do feel there are a lot of people being distracted from the core conspiracy

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3 minutes ago, muir said:

it's a great forum but i do feel there are a lot of people being distracted from the core conspiracy


lf there isn't a thread on this idea, perhaps there should be ?

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9 minutes ago, muir said:

It's a great forum but i do feel there are a lot of people being distracted from the core conspiracy

 

What do you see as being the core conspiracy?

 

A thread on that subject would be great as I haven't really seen a core definition of what people think is the driving force behind TPTB, and what they base their beliefs on.

 

I have read several of Icke's books, but he mainly brings together various branches of conspiracies under the Big Conspiracy that all of these branches are manifestations of the hidden control system.

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Todays piece begins;

 

For the United States to abandon proxy warfare and directly kill one of Iran’s most senior political figures has changed international politics in a fundamental way. It is a massive error. Its ramifications are profound and complex.

There is also a lesson to be learned here in that this morning there will be excitement and satisfaction in the palaces of Washington, Tel Aviv, Riyadh and Tehran. All of the political elites will see prospects for gain from the new fluidity. While for ordinary people in all those countries there is only the certainty of more conflict, death and economic loss, for the political elite, the arms manufacturers, the military and security services and allied interests, the hedge funds, speculators and oil companies, there are the sweet smells of cash and power.

Tehran will be pleased because the USA has just definitively lost Iraq. Iraq has a Shia majority and so naturally tends to ally with Iran. The only thing preventing that was the Arab nationalism of Saddam Hussein’s Ba’ath Socialist Party. Bush and Blair were certainly fully informed that by destroying the Ba’ath system they were creating an Iranian/Iraqi nexus, but they decided that was containable. The “containment” consisted of a deliberate and profound push across the Middle East to oppose Shia influence in proxy wars everywhere.

This is the root cause of the disastrous war in Yemen, where the Zaidi-Shia would have been victorious long ago but for the sustained brutal aerial warfare on civilians carried out by the Western powers through Saudi Arabia. This anti-Shia western policy included the unwavering support for the Sunni Bahraini autocracy in the brutal suppression of its overwhelmingly Shia population. And of course it included the sustained and disastrous attempt to overthrow the Assad regime in Syria and replace it with pro-Saudi Sunni jihadists. 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/the-usa-doubles-down-on-its-saudi-allegiance/ 

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In one of the series of blatant lies the USA has told to justify the assassination of Soleimani, Mike Pompeo said that Soleimani was killed because he was planning “Imminent attacks” on US citizens. It is a careful choice of word. Pompeo is specifically referring to the Bethlehem Doctrine of Pre-Emptive Self Defence.

Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is that states have a right of “pre-emptive self-defence” against “imminent” attack. That is something most people, and most international law experts and judges, would accept. Including me. 
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/lies-the-bethlehem-doctrine-and-the-illegal-murder-of-soleimani/ 

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"There is this morning a chink of light to avoid yet more devastation in the Middle East. Iran’s missile strikes last night were calibrated to satisfy honour while avoiding damage that would trigger automatically the next round. The missiles appear to have been fitted out with very light warhead payloads indeed – their purpose was to look good in the dark going up into the night sky. There is every reason to believe the apparent lack of US casualties was deliberate.

Even more important was the Iraqi statement that “proportionate measures” had been “taken and concluded” and they did not seek “further escalation”.

I agree their response was proportionate and I would say that I regard the Iranian action so far, unlike the assassination of Soleimani by the US, legal in international law.

The entire world should congratulate Iran for its maturity in handling the illegal assassination of its General, who was on a peace mission, travelling as a civilian on a commercial flight, carrying a mediation message the US had been instrumental in instigating. If as seems possible the US actively manipulated the diplomatic process to assassinate someone on a diplomatic mission and traveling on a diplomatic passport, that is a dreadful outrage which will come back to haunt them. Life insurance rates for US diplomats no doubt just went up.

It is also worth noting the 2.8% rise in the Lockheed share price in the 24 hours immediately before the Soleimani assassination, outperforming the Dow about three times. That would bear investigation.
Arms manufacturers and oil stocks have soared this last few days – and remember that nowadays the vast bulk of financial transactions are bets on the margins of movement, so vast fortunes will have been made out of all this...."
(more to read in the link) 
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/a-window-for-peace/ 

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Fiction by Craig Murray, (or is it?)

 

This is of course my first Yes Minister effort.

FIRST YES MINISTER

Perm Sec. You see Minister, all you have to do is destroy your predecessor’s reputation. In the modern “Me Too” atmosphere, you accuse someone of sexual offences and politically they are finished. In fact you can do what you like to him.
Minister Like Julian Assange?
Perm Sec Exactly, Minister. Like Julian Assange. We yelled “rape” at him and then had to do nothing else. The left themselves destroyed him, led by the feminists of course. You see Minister, we feminists can be useful sometimes. (Canned Laughter)
Minister Yes, by the time they had finished with him, the government could torture him to death in plain sight and nobody cared.
Perm Sec Precisely Minister, and the hilarious thing was that there never was any rape and we never had to produce any evidence in court.
Minister Yes, brilliant. But it’s not an exact parallel with Orpheus though, is it Permanent Secretary? We don’t have any extradition request for Orpheus once any sexual charges fall.
Perm Sec The charges won’t fall, Minister, they won’t fall. We will get him found guilty.
Minister But he isn’t actually a rapist, you know. Not one of these incidents looks anything like rape. In fact they are all very flimsy. There isn’t one single independent witness and I don’t think any of them could be proven in court.
Perm Sec Please don’t worry yourself. It doesn’t matter, Minister. All we need is the word “rape” in the newspaper headlines. “Attempted rape” will do. You just tell the prosecutor to get the word out there, spread it in the media and Orpheus is finished.
Minister Even if he is not guilty?
Perm Sec He will be guilty. Whether he is guilty is irrelevant, he will be found guilty. This is where we use “more of”.
Minister “More of”?
Perm Sec Yes, “More of”. It’s not an official legal term, but all the lawyers know it as the oldest trick in the prosecutor’s book.
Minister What do you mean, Permanent Secretary?
Perm Sec Well look, we have the canoodling episode, the kiss in the office and a couple of suggestive remarks about sexy clothes.
Minister The sexy remarks are hardly illegal, are they?
Perm Sec Good God, Minister, what century are you in? (Canned Laughter). Sexual harassment, Minister. Kiss someone at the office party and tell someone else their figure looks good in that blouse, and you have established a pattern of behaviour. “More of” you see, Minister. The “more of” this stuff you throw, the better chance some of it will stick.
Minister But we don’t have that many instances. We went through absolutely everything. We had a team of 24 policemen working on it for 10 months and this was all we can find.
Perm Sec It is time to get creative then, Minister. We need more women to make allegations. In these circumstances it is always best to keep things close. Activate the women you know, Minister, activate the women you know.
Minister I don’t have that many friends, Permanent Secretary. I spend all my time reading books. (Canned Laughter).
Perm Sec Oh really, Minister, think. You must have some women very close to you.
Minister Well, there is Miss Barclay, my own Private Secretary.
Perm Sec Perfect, Minister perfect! Miss Barclay should be good for at least four allegations! Get her to say he tried to kiss her. Often.
Minister But surely nobody will believe my own Private Secretary – and she was involved in putting the dossier together and in discussions on handling the case. Nobody is going to believe her. And (gasps in horror) it really leads straight back to me being behind it, doesn’t it?
Perm Sec It can’t be traced back to you, Minister.
Minister Phew, that’s a relief. It can’t be traced back to me you say. How does that work?
Perm Sec Accuser anonymity, Minister.
Minister Accuser anon… oh yes! Oh yes! I am beginning to see!! They are sexual allegations so…
Perm Sec The identities of the accusers can be kept hidden by the court under penalty of severe jail sentences for anybody who reveals them so…
Minister …the accusers can just be my closest political cronies and the public will never be aware of that! That’s brilliant, Perm Sec!
Perm Sec Thank you, Minister (Canned Laughter)
Minister And thank God for that, because if the party faithful thought that I was trying to stitch up my predecessor they would have my guts for garters (Canned Laughter).
Perm Sec Heaven forfend, Minister!
Minister What? Oh too right. I was just thinking, Permanent Secretary, you know I am starting to get the hang of this. What about old Marmalade? He is very keen to get back into parliament and sees himself as a potential successor.
Perm Sec Marmalade? Well I suppose if we start adding in gay allegations, it does give a slightly more exotic tinge for the tabloids.
Minister I was thinking more of his wife, Permanent Secretary. If the old Marmalade family want a nice safe seat in the capital, let them do something to earn it.
Perm Sec Indeed, Minister. And is the wife not a former Special Adviser?
Minister Yes, is that a problem?
Perm Sec On the contrary, Minister. You see it is very useful. A SPAD is of course only a particularly spotty political hack whom politicians have conned the taxpayer into paying, but technically a SPAD is still a form of civil servant.
Minister Yes, and what of it?
Perm Sec Well, the words “civil servant” convey integrity, honesty and trustworthiness. (Canned laughter). We can leak to the tabloids that one of the accusers is a civil servant, and people will believe it must be genuine and independent. Very cunning idea if I may say so, Minister.
Minister Was it? Oh yes, I am cunning, aren’t I. (Canned laughter). But I still worry that none of the accusations is going to be individually convincing.
Perm Sec Doesn’t matter, Minister, doesn’t matter. Remember “More of”. Quantity not quality, Minister, quantity not quality. They don’t have to be individually convincing, just to give the impression of no smoke without fire.
Minister Oh well, I understand that now. In that case I can think of three or four more women very close to us indeed who can make allegations, if independence or credibility are not important and nobody will ever know who they were.
Perm Sec Volume is important, Minister, volume. It does not have to be heavy stuff. Just get them to allege an attempted kiss here, a brush of the hand on the bum as they were going out the door there.
Minister To build a pattern of behaviour.
Perm Sec Precisely, Minister, precisely. To build a pattern of behaviour. I see you have got it.
Minister But isn’t there a problem here, Permanent Secretary? If this man was a sexual predator on a large scale, there would be whispers for years and people in political circles would surely know. But he doesn’t have that reputation at all.
Perm Sec Don’t worry, Minister, he soon will have that reputation. (Canned Laughter). The media will believe it because we will tell them to believe it. And once the media believe something, the population will believe it too. Every politician has enemies, Minister, Orpheus more than most.
Minister But isn’t there a potential danger here, Permanent Secretary? I mean all of this is nonsense, so won’t he be acquitted and emerge possibly stronger than before?
Perm Sec Don’t worry, Minister, he won’t be acquitted. We have a legally invincible alliance on our side. “More of” is powerful, but “more of” combined with “home” becomes an irresistible force.
Minister (puzzled) “More of” and “home”.
Perm Sec Yes Minister. Answer me this. What does a jury want more than anything?
Minister To do justice?
Perm Sec Wrong, Minister, wrong. Home. A jury wants to go home. (Canned Laughter) Jurors are ripped away from their homes, jobs and families for weeks. At the end of it they are locked in a stuffy room with other jurors they don’t like, and not allowed to go home until they have all reached a verdict. So what do they do to reach agreement?
Minister Aaah, I see now. They compromise.
Perm Sec Exactly, Minister. They will compromise. It’s a natural human instinct to avoid conflict. There will be some people who think him totally innocent as nothing was individually proven, but there will be others who will think he must have done something wrong or there could not possibly be so many accusations. The power of “more of”. Of course they will chuck out the “attempted rape” very quickly as obvious nonsense. In the end they will find him not guilty on nearly all counts, but as a compromise will convict him of stroking someone’s hair, patting their bum or saying they look sexy.
Minister But surely he will hardly be jailed for that?
Perm Sec Doesn’t matter, Minister. “Rapist” will already be firmly printed on the public mind, and so long as we have the magic word “guilty” it does not matter what he is guilty of. And it can’t fail. With so many charges, the jury is simply bound to find him guilty of something so they can compromise and all go home.
Minister Brilliant, Permanent Secretary, brilliant.
Perm Sec Thank you.
Minister So that’s finally going to put a stake through his heart. No more Frank Sinatra comebacks and no more Quixotic campaigns chasing unicorns.
Perm Sec Yes, Minister. 
 

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https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/01/yes-minister-fan-fiction/ 

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