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8 minutes ago, muir said:

 

I used to think that there was going to be some sort of terrible crisis that would then beckon in the NWO lockdown society such as a war or a breakdown of societal law and order or a bio-attack or a financial crisis and maybe we'll see them all yet but i'm beginning to think that it might all be a lot more mundane than that

 

if there is a crisis then people would have to face upto it and pull together to deal with the crisis so the elite won't want that. If on the other hand they slow kill us for example through driving down health and fertility through microwave exposure, endocrine disrupting chemicals and processed foods while rendering us useless by replacing us with automation then we would simply peter out and slowly vanish with barely a whimper and I'm not sure which frightens me more

 

The internet of things smart grid and the microchipping and the cashless society and the social credit score would allow them to police us and to crush any flare ups of resistance that might occur as we vanish from the pages of history

 

 

yup bothy culture is definately an aspect of british culture along with the right to roam and wild camping in scotland though they are slowly eating away at that right for example with the new camping management zones they are creating

 

If we kept our real life skills there would be no need to resist any manufactured long term drought of our basic needs, this is what most of the alternative guru's simply will not touch upon, they will promote quantumn nothingness and alien in Swaledale but never anything real and practical, which is truly a sad story for anyone who walks in shoes made in childrens eyes and all there is cheap crap for the masses.

 

I remember the power cuts in the 70's where one saw people scrambling around the shops for the last candles on the shelf which nearly always popped out of nowhere at a higher price, what we did was tap into the telephone line and power a dew small bulbs on a long wire until we reeach capacity of 50 volts and rode out the manufactured drought not of our own design.

 

Camping management zones, I tell you we are entering a time where it will eventually stand still for the majority, while mothers suffer in silence acros the world ploughing a field with an oxen, while just over the water an automated sat nat guided combine chews its way through a growing area where no humans are to be seen.

 

It is a new madness that would make king george your uncle.

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8 minutes ago, The Apprentice said:

I remember the power cuts in the 70's where one saw people scrambling around the shops for the last candles on the shelf which nearly always popped out of nowhere at a higher price, what we did was tap into the telephone line and power a dew small bulbs on a long wire until we reeach capacity of 50 volts and rode out the manufactured drought not of our own design.

 

I guess in the past people would have just made rushlights from dried rushes soaked in animal fat or candles from beeswax or a floating wick lamp but now if the lights go out people have as much time as their batteries provide

 

But lets say there was a resurgance in rushlight making. The problem we now have is that there are around 70 million people in britain so if they all went out harvesting rushes pretty soon we wouldn't have any rushes left! The same is true of foraging.

 

So for localism to work we need to see more land turned over to small scale food production including land in the cities for community gardens. Vertical gardens in buildings in the cities are also possible but as you have mentioned most people are concentrated in the cities where people are also the most de-skilled

 

But in terms of what vision we would like to see for the future of britain the more people they cram into these islands the more mouths there will be to feed making the prospect of localised small scale farming even less plausible

 

This flooding of people into britain and then into the cities only feeds into the technocratic vision of the elites that depend on MASS automated farming with heavy chemical spraying and all the problems that come from that

8 minutes ago, The Apprentice said:

Camping management zones, I tell you we are entering a time where it will eventually stand still for the majority, while mothers suffer in silence acros the world ploughing a field with an oxen, while just over the water an automated sat nat guided combine chews its way through a growing area where no humans are to be seen.

 

It is a new madness that would make king george your uncle.

 

if they would leave some people alone around the world that would still be able to plough their own land with their own oxen that might give me some hope for humanity but i think the technocratic cabal are more thorough than that. i don't think they intend to leave any humans anywhere unaffected by their globalist vision for humanity

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14 minutes ago, muir said:

 

I guess in the past people would have just made rushlights from dried rushes soaked in animal fat or candles from beeswax or a floating wick lamp but now if the lights go out people have as much time as their batteries provide

 

But lets say there was a resurgance in rushlight making. The problem we now have is that there are around 70 million people in britain so if they all went out harvesting rushes pretty soon we wouldn't have any rushes left! The same is true of foraging.

 

So for localism to work we need to see more land turned over to small scale food production including land in the cities for community gardens. Vertical gardens in buildings in the cities are also possible but as you have mentioned most people are concentrated in the cities where people are also the most de-skilled

 

But in terms of what vision we would like to see for the future of britain the more people they cram into these islands the more mouths there will be to feed making the prospect of localised small scale farming even less plausible

 

This flooding of people into britain and then into the cities only feeds into the technocratic vision of the elites that depend on MASS automated farming with heavy chemical spraying and all the problems that come from that

 

if they would leave some people alone around the world that would still be able to plough their own land with their own oxen that might give me some hope for humanity but i think the technocratic cabal are more thorough than that. i don't think they intend to leave any humans anywhere unaffected by their globalist vision for humanity

 

In this enigmatic disquieting scene, three hooded men wearing long sleeved, full-length smocks made from a heavy duty canvas-like material tied round the waist are collecting hives in the field. The cuffs of the sleeves are open and the hands are unprotected. They wear stockings on their legs and simple tie-up shoes. The face masks are made from basket-weave bottoms. The men’s stances suggest tension or an illicit activity; one of them is trying to open a hive, another is carrying the hive in his arms looking sideways, while a third man is walking towards him. On the right side, there’s a young man perched on the branch of a tree, he could either be a birdnester or one of the thieving beekeepers as the title suggests. In the background, there is a mill on the left and a hive under an awning on the right. It’s possible to distinguish a church tower on the right behind a thatched house or barn and a watermill in the mid-distance, which indicates the proximity of a settlement. The decapitated cone-shaped hives seem to be made of wicker with a lid in the lower and wider part. The hive under the awning is standing on a wooden base, keeping it clear of the ground. At the front, on the right side, there is a hive lying on the floor.

 

https://academic.oup.com/occmed/article/67/5/334/3975225

 

The island state is the city state itself, and the men without faces in the picture in the link are collecting all of the apprentice workers hard earned stores for the winter to come, I call these the Varroa Destructor/bankers and politicians, who move from cell to cell within the hive integrity mostly unoticed, until that is there are no more stores left in the larder and winter comes a knocking at the door, what happens then, well we all know.

 

And the rest will go hungry, in the beekeeping world this attribute is known as "Isolation Starvation", for those within the ever decreasing population, it is no good holding up the empty porridge bowl and asking for more, one would be far better off foraging around in true freedom and nature for what is there if yy know where to look using real life skills.

 

The city is a false construct and not reality.

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An Introduction To Britain's Traditional Festival Year

In ancient Britain, the progress of the Sun, the Moon and even the stars was measured for calendar-keeping purposes using Megalithic ("big stones") sites, the most famous of which is Stonehenge. The megaliths showed alignments between various stones and both solar and lunar rising and setting points, in the manner of a sundial, but tracked over the year rather than a day. A traditional calendar was built on this basic structure of astronomical observation, dividing the old country year into four seasons, each with a festival at its start and end, and one at its mid-point.

Sites like Stonehenge could determine a simpler, more accurate and practical calendar than the one we use today, which is a Roman model, created by Julius Caesar and later Christian emperors, with months often named after themselves, of different lengths to try to compensate for its inherent imbalances. (British children traditionally memorise a 'mnemonic' verse to help them keep track of these irregularities: "Thirty days hath September, April, June and November. All the rest have thirty-one, excepting February alone, which has twenty-eight days clear, and twenty-nine in each leap year.") Using simple astronomical measurements to determine the annual solstices of Midwinter and Midsummer Day and the Spring and Autumn Equinox, the year can be divided into a traditional “country calendar” consisting of four 90-day solar seasons (Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter) plus a festival day between each.
stoneh-dia.gifIt also can be used to solve the biggest problem in calendar creation, the reconciling of solar units (years) and lunar units (months, from 'moons'). It's thought that lunar calendars are older than solar, offering smaller and thus more important time-keeping units (of 28 days). The solar year can be tracked via a lunar calendar - provided a simple correction is made, of one day. That is, four 90-day solar quarters plus 4 'intercalary' festival days totals only 364 days. This roughly reconciles the solar calendar with the older lunar calendar in that 364 days is thirteen lunar months [13 x 28= 364], leaving a one-day discrepancy with the true solar year of 365.25 days. This is the background to the old legal term sometimes heard in fairy-tales, “a year and a day” to denote a complete 'luni-solar' calendar year of 365 days. The left-over '.25' is accommodated by making every fourth year a 'leap' year, adding (as the children's rhyme reminds us) an extra, 29th day in February, a device which prevents the calendar gradually going out of alignment with nature.
In the luni-solar calendar, the two solstices (literally “sun standing still” -- after which either days or nights take their turn to start to become shorter again), and the two equinoxes (“equal night,” i.e. when days and nights are of equal length) form the mid- or turning point of each season. The start and end of each seasonal quarter (known as cross-quarter days) were also marked with a traditional festival, often lasting a week or so in pre-Industrial times. The year thus had 8 calendric divisions, with each season commemorated at its start, middle, and end. Though reduced in scale, these 8 festivals are often still celebrated today, especially in the country districts where folk customs tend to survive best.

 

SPRING
The start of Spring was traditionally celebrated the first week of February as this is halfway through the first 90-day seasonal period after the winter solstice. The Celtic festival of Imbolc or Oimelc, literally the time of the filling of udders with milk, i.e. the time when young animals are about to be born, was thus the time when there would soon be milk for people to drink at the end of a long hard winter. It was first Christianised as Purification Day (2 February), since the Roman month Februarius, from which February derives, refers to a religious rite involving self-punishment. But it was better known by the old English country name of Candlemas, as well as the Feast Of St Brigid and the Festival (3 February) of St Blaise (later mythologized as the mentor of King Arthur's Druid magician Merlin). With the romantic association of spring and love, Valentine's Day (14 February) may be another ancient survival, slightly displaced by its adoption into the Roman calendar.
SLPGLVRS.jpgThe mid-point of Spring, on 21 March, is the Spring Equinox, meaning the time when days are as long as nights (equi-nox or "equal night"). Though often announced today by weather forecasters as the "first day of spring," there is today no surviving festival, it having been no doubt eclipsed by its proximity to the major, double Christian holiday (“holy day”) of Easter, which has retained its status as a week-long break.
Hare hatching from eggEaster officially falls on the Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring Equinox. It is thus reckoned on a Christian, lunar, and solar basis, reconciling three different calendric elements. It is preceded and enhanced by Lent, from the Anglo-Saxon to “lengthen,” a period of 40 days fasting at winter's end to mark the lengthening of the day until it becomes longer than night. (The word “carnival” which today has come to mean a parade, may be from the Latin “Carne, vale” or “Meat, Farewell” - referring to the feast before or after which one abstains from meat for a while.) Easter is named after Eostre, the Saxon goddess of dawn. Easter was the start of the Christian year till 1752 when the Gregorian calendar was adopted. Eostre's pet animal was the hare (also sacred to the Celts) which like the rabbit was a symbol of fertility and at this time of year runs about madly fighting -- as in the expression “Mad as a March hare.” There were no rabbits in Britain at this time, only hares, but the Spring hare has now been commercialised as the Easter Bunny. The sign of Easter is the cross with four equal arms which is found on the Hot Cross Bun sold in the shops around Easter.
Spring ends in the first week of May with the old Celtic festival of Beltane Eve, now May Eve, marking the change to Summer.

 

SUMMER
maypole.jpgSummer properly starts with May Day, now sometimes confusingly referred to in Britain as the Spring Bank Holiday but once the Celtic festival of Beltane, “Beautiful Flame.” This was the time of the cattle drive to summer pasture (a practise known technically as transhumance). For luck, the cattle were led out through the smoke of protective bonfires. It would also be about time for final planting of late crops. There was a pageant led by the chosen local May Queen and her consort the Green Man, and couples would dance around the May-Pole and go off a-maying, collecting May garlands. The Church conducted marriages at this time and imposed its own festival of Whitsuntide, when people set off on pilgrimages, perhaps to mark the end of the May celebrations, which were sometimes lengthy.
The high point of Summer, around 21/22 June, Midsummer Day (now officially June 24) or the Summer Solstice, was a festive occasion whose traditional country revels are satirized in Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. Couples would stay out for this the shortest night, waiting up for the sunrise of the longest day.
Saxon harvesting sceneThis could also mark the start of harvest time, while Summer's end in the first week of August could mark the end of harvest. This was once the Celtic festival of Lugnasagh, of Lugh the god of Light, Christianised as Lammastide, which involved the baking and giving of small bread loaves made from the harvest grain. Locally, after the harvest was safely gathered, there was a celebration sometime in August, known as the Harvest Home, a party or dance. (One is portrayed in Hardy's 1874 novel Far From The Madding Crowd.) A few pagan “thanks­giving” country practices have survived here such as making a “corn dolly” from the last corn sheaf harvested as a tribute to the Corn Goddess. These can sometimes still be seen hanging on the walls in country inns, and more elaborate hand-crafted effigies made from cane or wicker are also sometimes sold in country crafts shops.

AUTUMN
The old Harvest Home festival, akin to today's Thanksgiving The start of Autumn is properly the first week in August, marked by Lughnasah or Lammastide. However to align it with the modern school term, (when the children were no longer available to help fulltime on the farm), the August festival has been moved to the end of the month, as the August Bank Holiday weekend. It thus now marks the end of summer for families, just before the children return to school. The seasonal mid-point comes on 21-22 September, the Autumn Equinox, which was displaced a week (to the 29th) on the Church calendar as the day of prayer to St Michael the Archangel, standing in for the old sun god representing the power of light over dark. In the Celtic era, Autumn ended in the first week of November with the festival of Samhain [the "mh" is pronounced as "v"] which marked the end of Celtic year. This was the “Witches Sabbath” when the spirits of the dead were said to come out of their graves, and this ghoulish fright-night aspect is still part of modern Hallowe'en (from “Hallowed evening”) on 31 October, i.e. the eve of 1st November. (The Celts counted by nights and hence always celebrated the evening before the festival day.) It was Christianised as All Souls Day. Clocks are usually put back an hour at this time of year, marking the end of British Summer Time.

WINTER
The start of Winter in the first week in November may be commemorated by Bonfire Night (5 November). In practical country terms this was once time to start slaughtering cattle for meat at the end of their period of pasturage. Bonfire Night with the “burning of the guy” officially represents the patriotic burning of an effigy of Guy Fawkes to commemorate his failed Gunpowder Plot to blow up Parliament in 1605, but some scholars believe this is probably a conversion of a much older fire rite at Celtic Samhain, which may have involved human sacrifice, by burning.
An early Xmas card: Victoria, Albert and familyThe mid-point (21/22 December) of Midwinter's Day i.e. the Winter Solstice, is marked by the most famous of ancient festivals, Christmas (24/25 December). Officially it is a Christian festival, the “Christ Mass,” adopted by the Church from AD 600. However, all pre-Christian societies seem to have celebrated a midwinter feast at this time to help than get through the darkest days of the year when their gods of light were at their weakest. The Romans themselves celebrated a Saturnalia, a Feast of Saturn the Lord Of Time. This was also the festival of the Lord Of Misrule, when the normal social order was inverted. and slave-owners served a dinner and drinks to their servants, a custom still practised by the British Army. The other name of the old Roman festival, also celebrated in Britain during the Roman Era, spells out the real appeal of a midwinter feast: Dies Natalis Invicta Solis, the Birthday Of The Undefeated Sun, for after the Winter Solstice on 21/22 December, days begin to lengthen again.
Today, the “Christmas Holidays” are still celebrated today in Britain with a relic of Nature worship in the form of the Christmas Tree which is dressed with decorations and stands in living rooms, offices, shop windows and town centres. This particular Nordic-English custom, for a long time not practised in England, was kept alive for centuries in Protestant Germany after being introduced by St Boniface, the English apostle to the Germans, and later re-popularized in English society by Queen Victoria's German husband Prince Albert around 1840. The tree used is a fir, but the symbolism is that it is an evergreen: a coniferous tree which does not wither in the autumn. More ancient traditions -- Nordic, Celtic and even older - also survive in the burning of the Yule Log; in the holly (used for wreaths), which was the male symbol connected with the Green Man, the god of green growth and the ivy (the female symbol). Some of the ancient symbolism survives in Christmas Carols such as “The Holly And The Ivy.”
Holly sprigThe pre-Christmas “count-down” four-week period is known as Advent. Although the custom is no longer observed as much in Britain as elsewhere in Europe, evergreen Advent Wreaths sometimes appear in shop or house windows, and children are sometimes given Advent Calendars. A flowering sprig of the Glastonbury Thorn tree (supposedly a token of the founding of Britain's first Christian church in the 1st Century AD) is also sent to the Queen and placed on the Royal dinner table. The mistletoe sprig, traditionally placed over a doorway by a woman (the custom that you may kiss her when she stands under it is probably modern), was connected with Celtic fertility rites conducted at this time so that children would be born in Summer, as the time of plenty. Santa Claus, the children-oriented corruption of St Nicholas, alias Old Father Christmas, is a Christian take-over of an ancient magical pagan figure, a bringer of presents for the children in the midwinter feast of plenty. His sleigh and reindeer indicate he was of Scandinavian origin.
Boxing Day (26 December), was originally in the spirit of the Roman Saturnalia: presents were boxed up for the servants and the local poor. (This custom is no longer generally observed, the only distinctive ritual here today being a new trend - bargain hunting in the shops advertising Boxing Day Sales.)
Vignette showing MistletoeThe celebrations end with New Year's Eve. In Scotland, this is called Hogmanay (a word of unknown meaning; Og in Celtic means ancient, timeless). At Hogmanay is the strange custom of First Foot, where it is thought good luck for a dark man to enter at midnight bearing a simple gift -- which some argue commemorates the annual renewal of the peace treaty between the fair-haired Celtic settlers and the darker aboriginal people at Britain.
As already noted, the end of Winter and start of another Spring should be in the first week of February. However there were traditionally twelve days of Christmas holiday, mid-winter festivities coming to a close on Twelfth Night, on 6 January, designated by the Church as Epiphany. (Oddly, the Glastonbury Thorn tree already mentioned, which flowers every year around 25 December, is said also to flower again for Epiphany.)
The old and the young new year In 1752 in Britain the old Julian Calendar created by Julius Caesar was adjusted by skipping 11 days as its in-built inaccuracy meant it had been slowly slipping out of sync with the true luni-solar calendar. However country folk often still insisted on commemorating festivals every 365 days exactly, so that after 1752 there were also 'Old' versions of festivals being celebrated 11 days behind the rest of the country. On Old Twelfth Night, it was and is customary to go wassailing, singing and pouring cider on the apple trees to encourage a good crop next spring - an obvious pagan fertility rite which has survived from pre-Christian times.
In Scotland however it is eclipsed in scale by a festival which follows soon after, which may be without any calendric basis - though it comes at a much-needed time, the most depressing time of year for many. This officially celebrates the birthday on 25th January, of Scotland's national poet, Robert Burns, who popularised the sentimental song without which no New Year's celebration would be complete, Auld Lang Syne. On Burns Night, now celebrated in England, Russia and America, as well as across Scotland, there is a feast of traditional dishes (the haggis being the centre-piece), accompanied by poem recitals, drinking, songs, and toasts. §

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http://www.south-coast-central.co.uk/traditional_calendar.htm

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We have some thing similar up here. We burn the clavie at burghead on the old celtic new year

 

Crieff also has a flambeaux procession through the village with the lit staves being thrown into the river at the end

 

There's also the stonehaven fireballs but that's getting a bit crowded these days

 

Biggar also has a massive new year bonfire right in the centre of the village

 

You can't beat a good fire!

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19 minutes ago, muir said:

We have some thing similar up here. We burn the clavie at burghead on the old celtic new year

 

Crieff also has a flambeaux procession through the village with the lit staves being thrown into the river at the end

 

There's also the stonehaven fireballs but that's getting a bit crowded these days

 

Biggar also has a massive new year bonfire right in the centre of the village

 

You can't beat a good fire!

 

 

 On the 23 September the time in nigh as the sun falls once again below the equator we enter Baal Berith, the ancient Pheonician parlance for the winter months to come, all ending in BER, as in Ber-ith.

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1 hour ago, muir said:

 

I guess in the past people would have just made rushlights from dried rushes soaked in animal fat or candles from beeswax or a floating wick lamp but now if the lights go out people have as much time as their batteries provide

 

But lets say there was a resurgance in rushlight making. The problem we now have is that there are around 70 million people in britain so if they all went out harvesting rushes pretty soon we wouldn't have any rushes left! The same is true of foraging.

 

So for localism to work we need to see more land turned over to small scale food production including land in the cities for community gardens. Vertical gardens in buildings in the cities are also possible but as you have mentioned most people are concentrated in the cities where people are also the most de-skilled

 

But in terms of what vision we would like to see for the future of britain the more people they cram into these islands the more mouths there will be to feed making the prospect of localised small scale farming even less plausible

 

This flooding of people into britain and then into the cities only feeds into the technocratic vision of the elites that depend on MASS automated farming with heavy chemical spraying and all the problems that come from that

 

if they would leave some people alone around the world that would still be able to plough their own land with their own oxen that might give me some hope for humanity but i think the technocratic cabal are more thorough than that. i don't think they intend to leave any humans anywhere unaffected by their globalist vision for humanity

 

 

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@muir history is a part of identity construction

History Is a partial record, sometimes even fake, of events woven to create a narrative for an identity

 

 British history, English history, Christian history and on and on. It decentres the self. 

 

I recall a man calling himself Bill hicks saying news reports

War, famine, death, recession, depression, aids.. 

I look out of my window and there's nothing going on

 

Every conversation I have drops references from another's experience.. Centring oneself is difficult

 

Traditions and festivals maybe once were an expression of the groups experience together through a councils guidance but today the council is corrupt, the group is tainted, the traditions are constraints

 

I remember reading that Christmas trees, santa (Saint Nicolas) find origins in a group that would use psychelics, Amanita muscaria. a hijacked tradition.

 

I find myself attempting to embrace traditions while ripping the coats of monotheism off each one. There is a heritage of nature. I desire a natural life. 

 

I question the family unit as a corruption but I wouldn't trust the modern community to raise a youngster

 

I question the masculine feminine polarity as a construct

 

History offers no alternatives. There are lessons of catastrophe for even thinking differently

 

I read the alternate historians not to find truth or facts but to snip free each thread of main history tying down my thoughts.

Like a bt engineer fingering through wires at a junction box I am conducting a Nobel tradition upon myself, betterment

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Britishness is all about Mary Poppins and Big Ben ,,

 

Ding Dong ,,,,

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Mainly Mary Poppins tho' ,,

 

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And not forgetting the best British thing ever ,,

 

Fish & Chips ,,,,,,,,

 

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

@muir history is a part of identity construction

History Is a partial record, sometimes even fake, of events woven to create a narrative for an identity

 

or as gilad atzmon put it: 'history is an attempt to narrate the past''

 

this thread is more concerned with our relations to place and how place shapes us and our customs. By extension it considers the harm that might be caused by uprooting people. Another theme is how much good stuff there is on our doorstep that we perhaps don't appreciate that offers us something that a globalised corporate pseudo-culture cooked up in PR offices by overpaid clever dicks in brainstorming sessions can never offer us

 

orwell alluded to that process in his novel '1984' when he wrote about a prole lady hanging up her washing while whistling a souless piece of music created by a machine. The song becomes unconnected to anything of meaning and essentially becomes muzak

 

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British history, English history, Christian history and on and on. It decentres the self. 

 

Its an ongoing story. it would be nice to write a nice new chapter

 

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I recall a man calling himself Bill hicks saying news reports

War, famine, death, recession, depression, aids.. 

I look out of my window and there's nothing going on

 

Bill understood that they use fear to control people

 

The more chaos they can create the more fear there will be and the more they can make the case for their own authority over us

 

 

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

I remember reading that Christmas trees, santa (Saint Nicolas) find origins in a group that would use psychelics, Amanita muscaria. a hijacked tradition.

 

probably rooted in the old norse yule festival based on odin worship. Seeing as britain was populated by large numbers of germanic people its fair to say that they didn't 'hijack' the tradition. i'd say the hijacking came later by the corporations who sought to turn it into a festival of consumerism

 

as for the use of mushrooms as psychadelics i think that such a use was not exclusive to any one culture. The celts may have links to the gallician spanish who hold their quiemada witch festivals in which people imbibe a potion to incantations. is it a modern invention or the echo of an older shamanic tradition?

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On 7/14/2019 at 11:32 PM, muir said:

By extension it considers the harm that might be caused by uprooting people. Another theme is how much good stuff there is on our doorstep that we perhaps don't appreciate that offers us something that a globalised corporate pseudo-culture cooked up in PR offices by overpaid clever dicks in brainstorming sessions can never offer us

 

Oh i think the affect of the global culture is rooted in the Hyksos Pharaohs , the monotheism that was attached to the new agers 5000 years ago and that which has been carried through age of Pisces into the coming Aquarius.

i see the corruption being badly constructed choices ;

stick with polytheism but ignore the changing of the age, and fall into stagnation

or

follow into Aries but reject polytheism for monotheism

 

its a commonly experienced trick. corrupt all choices to taint the psyche

 

i see all traditions, customs and even places have been corrupted physically and spiritually.

 

as Baudrillard wrote The Desert of the Real , i see literally, the real was cordoned off and now an abandoned waste ground with no traces of history or tradition

 

 

On 7/14/2019 at 11:39 PM, muir said:

Seeing as britain was populated by large numbers of germanic people

 

well , i hesitate to agree as Britain is a modern creation. prior to the Romans popping over the peoples on these lands are alien to us. Scotland is named after Queen Scotia. The pharaoh princess marrying the horsemen, the scythians. 

why does the royal family celebrate horse riding in all its forms?

 

the Tuatha de Danann , whoever or whatever they actually were, was destroyed by the formed family and the islands developed

 

i think the tradition of the British is murder, corruption, impoverishment, domination and systematic control over spirituality

like the wife beater making breakfast for the wife he made bedridden .. "lovely eggs and toast dear? see what i offer you"... yes but my legs are broken and my mind is dying so i shit the bed

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On 7/14/2019 at 11:39 PM, muir said:

 

probably rooted in the old norse yule festival based on odin worship. Seeing as britain was populated by large numbers of germanic people its fair to say that they didn't 'hijack' the tradition. i'd say the hijacking came later by the corporations who sought to turn it into a festival of consumerism

 

as for the use of mushrooms as psychadelics i think that such a use was not exclusive to any one culture. The celts may have links to the gallician spanish who hold their quiemada witch festivals in which people imbibe a potion to incantations. is it a modern invention or the echo of an older shamanic tradition?

 

Everything is beginning to fit together, the Papal Bulls were the beginning of the corporate arm and armies who lead the way towards modernity,

 

Once the former social climbers/leaders/kings etc have reached their dizzy hights of control they need to create the illusion of grandure if they are to remain in power, if they cannot there is either force or a new world order, those world orders are all taking place as we speak, the last atempt when religion took hold of the reigns is now loosing its stranglehold upon humanity so we need yet another excuse, it is called climate change,

 

Here is a small group of speakers who have put something together, which was also worked out and what is coming to pass once again,

 

 

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2 hours ago, zArk said:

Oh i think the affect of the global culture is rooted in the Hyksos Pharaohs , the monotheism that was attached to the new agers 5000 years ago and that which has been carried through age of Pisces into the coming Aquarius.

i see the corruption being badly constructed choices ;

stick with polytheism but ignore the changing of the age, and fall into stagnation

or

follow into Aries but reject polytheism for monotheism

 

the globalised culture is nothing more that the efforts of a cabal to centralise their control over all human beings. Religion is something they use to control people through the use of egregores

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

its a commonly experienced trick. corrupt all choices to taint the psyche

 

i see all traditions, customs and even places have been corrupted physically and spiritually.

 

as Baudrillard wrote The Desert of the Real , i see literally, the real was cordoned off and now an abandoned waste ground with no traces of history or tradition

 

well , i hesitate to agree as Britain is a modern creation. prior to the Romans popping over the peoples on these lands are alien to us.

 

Yes but this thread isn't about britain the state. It isn't about flags or anthems or institutions of state. It is about how culture often organically grows up out of place for example because of the nature of the land and climate and how globalisation is disconnecting us all from the land. Its a process going on everywhere. You could just as easily tell the story through a thread called 'indian culture' or 'french culture' or 'nigerian culture' but i live in the british isles so i am exploring it through british culture

 

Like i have said elsewhere i don't see a country as the freemasonic elite who run it and their institutions of control. I see it as the land and its people. The rest i see as a parasite riding on their backs

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

Scotland is named after Queen Scotia. The pharaoh princess marrying the horsemen, the scythians. 

why does the royal family celebrate horse riding in all its forms?

 

Well the horse is linked to the sun in celtic mythology. The horse was also the source of power for royals because mounted soldiers called 'knights' where the most powerful instrument in an army. Royals don't rule by consensus, they rule what they can enforce. The horse however should not be blamed for this as it has also been the engine house of britain until the takeover by the combustion engine. Horses do however remain a symbol of status in the eyes of the aristocratic class for example with interest in racing breeds for example but that love is also shared by common people and the gypsies for example hold their own horse fair every year at appleby

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

the Tuatha de Danann , whoever or whatever they actually were, was destroyed by the formed family and the islands developed

 

They are likely the old gods

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

i think the tradition of the British is murder, corruption, impoverishment, domination and systematic control over spirituality

 

No the british people have had that imposed on them the same as everyone else

 

what you are talking about is the elite that has imposed themself on the british people and ruled them through fuedalism

 

2 hours ago, zArk said:

like the wife beater making breakfast for the wife he made bedridden .. "lovely eggs and toast dear? see what i offer you"... yes but my legs are broken and my mind is dying so i shit the bed

 

the abusive relationship has been the one between the mailed fisted fuedal elite and the british peasantry

 

Serving the financial needs of the fuedal elite has been the jewish financiers who are intermarried with the fuedal elite which some trace back to babylon. Certainly many of their laws and customs trace back to babylon

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19 minutes ago, muir said:

 

the globalised culture is nothing more that the efforts of a cabal to centralise their control over all human beings. Religion is something they use to control people through the use of egregores

 

 

Yes but this thread isn't about britain the state. It isn't about flags or anthems or institutions of state. It is about how culture often organically grows up out of place for example because of the nature of the land and climate and how globalisation is disconnecting us all from the land. Its a process going on everywhere. You could just as easily tell the story through a thread called 'indian culture' or 'french culture' or 'nigerian culture' but i live in the british isles so i am exploring it through british culture

 

Like i have said elsewhere i don't see a country as the freemasonic elite who run it and their institutions of control. I see it as the land and its people. The rest i see as a parasite riding on their backs

 

 

Well the horse is linked to the sun in celtic mythology. The horse was also the source of power for royals because mounted soldiers called 'knights' where the most powerful instrument in an army. Royals don't rule by consensus, they rule what they can enforce. The horse however should not be blamed for this as it has also been the engine house of britain until the takeover by the combustion engine. Horses do however remain a symbol of status in the eyes of the aristocratic class for example with interest in racing breeds for example but that love is also shared by common people and the gypsies for example hold their own horse fair every year at appleby

 

 

They are likely the old gods

 

 

No the british people have had that imposed on them the same as everyone else

 

what you are talking about is the elite that has imposed themself on the british people and ruled them through fuedalism

 

 

the abusive relationship has been the one between the mailed fisted fuedal elite and the british peasantry

 

Serving the financial needs of the fuedal elite has been the jewish financiers who are intermarried with the fuedal elite which some trace back to babylon. Certainly many of their laws and customs trace back to babylon

 

I call the fuedal elite the "Missionary Protectorate" but they are not the inner circle or "Varroa Destructor" and the ones with the original manuals, they sent the saleman over with a book and man management manual which was known to King AEthelberht for what it was, and not known to the public who were to follow, their king into Christianity.

 

The true instigators are the blood lines that lead back to the very beginning beyond Babylonia, the big give away is, wherever they ply this craft the empires always collapse around the time of the natural or cyclical collapse in nature and our immediate environments.

 

This film clip for sector one is a mask on the same face where the Varroa escape to green pastures thereafter,

 

1486 = https://www.gematrix.org/?word=i am true prophet sent by god

 

reverse the middle numbers,

 

1846 = https://www.gematrix.org/?word=the strong delusion is christianity

 

 

I reiterate, all religions and esoteric knowledge is like the borg, who would leave behind a desert once our usefulness is spent,

 

 

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15 minutes ago, The Apprentice said:

The true instigators are the blood lines that lead back to the very beginning beyond Babylonia, the big give away is, wherever they ply this craft the empires always collapse around the time of the natural or cyclical collapse in nature and our immediate environments.

 

That is a very interesting point as we watch them try to roll out more fracking and nuclear power (not clean for example there was a recent leak at dounreay)

 

They do seem to be like a plague of locusts travelling across the world destroying everything they touch

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33 minutes ago, muir said:

the globalised culture is nothing more that the efforts of a cabal to centralise their control over all human beings. Religion is something they use to control people through the use of egregores

 

the cabal is the Atenists , the monotheistic solar cult. The Pharaohic lineage kicked out of Egypt, twice.

hidden under the title Hyksos

 

33 minutes ago, muir said:

Well the horse is linked to the sun in celtic mythology.

 

the milesians were the atenists, celts have been mixed with the milesians to hide the Eygptian origin

 

the milesians have written themselves as the Magi, the knowledgeable ones, the ones of light, of the Sun --- ego trippin

 

 

33 minutes ago, muir said:

No the british people have had that imposed on them the same as everyone else

 

what you are talking about is the elite that has imposed themself on the british people and ruled them through fuedalism

 

the british are the men of contract, the british are the Atenists in modern form. the elite are the British, the Pharaonic bloodline solar cult

 

33 minutes ago, muir said:

Serving the financial needs of the fuedal elite has been the jewish financiers

 

well the financial system is a tool for Global control

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38 minutes ago, The Apprentice said:

Once the former social climbers/leaders/kings etc have reached their dizzy hights of control they need to create the illusion of grandure if they are to remain in power, if they cannot there is either force or a new world order, those world orders are all taking place as we speak, the last atempt when religion took hold of the reigns is now loosing its stranglehold upon humanity so we need yet another excuse, it is called climate change

 

yes the argument that manmade CO2 is what is harming the planet and not the vast amounts of toxic chemicals belched out by the cabal owned petrochemical industry is based on computer models created by cabal controlled scientists

 

This means that to believe in it is a faith position so its not too much of s stretch to accuse them of religious fervour

 

Climate change is their cover story to impose their global technocracy which will see people placed under totalitarian and centralised control. This would represent a complete defeat of the workers in their struggle for dignity and autonomy and freedom and yet the torch bearers of this new religion come under the flag of the left which claims to represent the working people thereby duping millions into believing them

 

Further to this they have now added a racial dimension by making the front men or rather women non white (see alexandra ocasio cortez and her allies) to dupe people into supporting the green agenda because now in their minds they associate it as part of a racial struggle when really it is all just the same old elites imposing their new technocracy

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2 minutes ago, muir said:

 

That is a very interesting point as we watch them try to roll out more fracking and nuclear power (not clean for example there was a recent leak at dounreay)

 

They do seem to be like a plague of locusts travelling across the world destroying everything they touch

 

They are the locust or Logos, we are the wheat growing tall ripened before their harvest which they control, leaving behind a bare stuble while their tithe barns are full and our bellies are empty, can we see where this model is ongoing.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, zArk said:

the cabal is the Atenists , the monotheistic solar cult. The Pharaohic lineage kicked out of Egypt, twice.

hidden under the title Hyksos

 

the hyksos became one of the tribes that made up the federation of tribes known as the israelites

 

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the milesians were the atenists, celts have been mixed with the milesians to hide the Eygptian origin

 

the british are the men of contract, the british are the Atenists in modern form. the elite are the British, the Pharaonic bloodline solar cult

 

well some would trace the word back to the phoenician barats pointing to a phonecian origin to the term 'briton' and some also speak of brutus of troy

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well the financial system is a tool for Global control

 

yes but it did not originate in these islands which i have termed 'britain' for want of a better term

 

It came from elsewhere and was imposed on britain. An important development for example was the imposition of the exchequer by the jewish administrators brought in by william the conqueror. Many centuries later and after the colonisation of the americas the same network created the IRS in the USA in breach of the constitution to tax people on their income in exactly the same year that they imposed a central bank on the USA (the federal reserve act 1913), which is not a coincidence because those institutions are part of their control system to remove the autonomy of the people

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6 minutes ago, The Apprentice said:

They are the locust or Logos, we are the wheat growing tall ripened before their harvest which they control, leaving behind a bare stuble while their tithe barns are full and our bellies are empty, can we see where this model is ongoing.

 

The book 'the merchants of grain' explored the mega-corporations that centrally controlled the grain business in the west

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2 minutes ago, muir said:

 

the hyksos became one of the tribes that made up the federation of tribes known as the israelites

 

 

well some would trace the word back to the phoenician barats pointing to a phonecian origin to the term 'briton' and some also speak of brutus of troy

 

yes but it did not originate in these islands which i have termed 'britain' for want of a better term

 

It came from elsewhere and was imposed on britain. An important development for example was the imposition of the exchequer by the jewish administrators brought in by william the conqueror. Many centuries later and after the colonisation of the americas the same network created the IRS in the USA in breach of the constitution to tax people on their income in exactly the same year that they imposed a central bank on the USA (the federal reserve act 1913), which is not a coincidence because those institutions are part of their control system to remove the autonomy of the people

 

History tells us how they are always in the know, for instance,

 

When the Norse raided Northumbria they knew the local barons were working for Rome thus making it a legitimate military target as the cabals grip loosened by design, they have always been in control, I call it "The Triad", which governs the population and system through money, religion and law, these roles often switch from time to time as one looses popularity over another, once the system is saturated with the little suckers/varroa, and in true decline also by design, and the confused worker bees cannot give any more of their true energy and currency.

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9 minutes ago, muir said:

 

the hyksos became one of the tribes that made up the federation of tribes known as the israelites

 

 

well some would trace the word back to the phoenician barats pointing to a phonecian origin to the term 'briton' and some also speak of brutus of troy

 

yes but it did not originate in these islands which i have termed 'britain' for want of a better term

 

It came from elsewhere and was imposed on britain. An important development for example was the imposition of the exchequer by the jewish administrators brought in by william the conqueror. Many centuries later and after the colonisation of the americas the same network created the IRS in the USA in breach of the constitution to tax people on their income in exactly the same year that they imposed a central bank on the USA (the federal reserve act 1913), which is not a coincidence because those institutions are part of their control system to remove the autonomy of the people

 

All island states that rule the waves need to be traders, they are always surrounded by waves and have the best forms of defence, John Dee knew this and milked the world using his original inter-dependace or original free trade policy, which thus destroyed all who entered into a said contract.

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15 minutes ago, muir said:

yes but it did not originate in these islands which i have termed 'britain' for want of a better term

 

 

from my reading especially through Michael Tsarion and Ralph Ellis;

 

Ireland and the 'british isles' were the restart of an ancient global temple of knowledge which spread out throughout the planet after the Younger Dryas. The bad guys re-emerged and took control of Egypt, then were kicked out, returned in Eygpt again and kicked out again, then the tribes were lost on the planet and it seems came back the 'british isles' as it was their starting place and set to work on a global domination

 

the undertones of the work i read is that there is a spiritual belief that wishes to dominate everyone and hides beneath the skin of others, posing as celts, posing as British, posing as milesians, posing as Hyksos, posing as Jews

using and abusing their way to power, forming allegiances of convenience and then spitting out the carcasses when the goal is complete

 

Hyksos came from somewhere, some say from China, but i think -- from what i have been reading--- that the Hyksos are just another stooge group acting as a mask for the real nasty power

 

going back to the Mu-mu and atlanteans

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