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3 hours ago, Chantelle Imperiosi said:

What are vegans' views on wet nursing?

 

probably that babies drinking human milk is a perversion?

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My personal opinion is that this should all be a matter of choice, rather than a 'few' dictating their desires to the 'many'.

 

If people choose to follow vegan or vegetarian diets, then i don't have a problem with that, it is after all up to them.

 

My objection is where vegans and vegetarians try to impose their beliefs on others, especially those that don't have that choice.

 

For instance, vegan parents who bring up a new born baby on a vegan diet:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/23/vegan-mum-left-baby-severely-malnourished-meat-free-diet-spared-jail-10617559/

 

It is cruel in a sense, because the baby has no say in the matter, this is being imposed on them.

 

On the other hand, did you know about vegan pet foods?

 

http://www.benevo.com/about-benevo/

 

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Back in 2004, it became apparent to us the last meat in most veggie households was the meat their pets were eating. Many of those pets were rescue animals and so having rescued one animal, people found themselves with an ethical dilemma as they spooned out a less fortunate animal from a tin. For some, having to buy meat to feed a pet meant they had chosen not to have a pet at all.

Rather than campaign for change or beg the likes of Mars and Purina to listen, we believed, and still do, in providing real world alternatives to traditional meat pet foods ourselves. Replacing those essential nutrients found in meat with bio-available alternatives from non-animal sources. Working independently we could apply our knowledge and ethics without having to please shareholders. After a year of research and development we launched Benevo Dog and Benevo Cat as a solution to the ethical problem. Since then we have continued to invest, develop and pioneer meat-free pet food nutrition for the benefit of all animals with certified organic food, grain-free options and rawhide alternative treats to name but a few.

 

Now, we can argue whether humans are omnivores or not, but surely we can see that canines and felines are mainly carnivores?

 

Again, cats and dogs don't have any choice in this matter, as this vegan diet gets imposed on them by their vegan owners. Being forced to eat this non-meat 'alternative', I do sometimes wonder how many cats end up 'leaving home' and go somewhere where someone does put out a bowl of Whiskas cat meat for them.

 

If your cat is meant to eat meat, why is it such a problem for vegans to spoon it out of a tin for them? It's not like vegans are being asked to eat this stuff.Oh, "less fortunate animal from a tin" - I wonder how they react when they find Tiddles bringing home dead birds or mice for them!

 

Perhaps vegans should think twice about owning a cat or a dog, and maybe consider a rabbit instead...

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Now, we can argue whether humans are omnivores or not, but surely we can see that canines and felines are mainly carnivores?

 

its not about what is objectively true.....it is about what you subjectively choose to believe

 

if you want to believe the moon is a piece of cheese then everyone must be inclusive of your opinion otherwise you are being hateful

 

so you better start getting good at enabling bullshit

 

if you are someone who is not good at enabling bullshit then you are going to struggle in the new world order and will have a terrible social credit score and will be increasingly denied access to the essentials of life until you quietly die out

 

and don't expect any support from the state-socialist SJW's who will all be too busy wearing their woke credentials on their sleeves through virtue signalling to be able to stand up for your human rights.

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11 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I wonder how they react when they find Tiddles bringing home dead birds or mice for them!

 

The birds aren't innocent either, they eat insects!

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25 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

The birds aren't innocent either, they eat insects!

woah, you carnivores eat insects? 

cochineal is disgusting and injected into glazed cherries and stuff and eating insects is really a poor show

 

 

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It makes me laugh that we are constantly being told that it is animal products that are destroying peoples health and the environment. 

If you look at the modern western diet you can see that it is already around 70% (probably more for most people) plant based already, made up of processed foods sugar and grains etc.... Throw in some factory farmed meat and dairy from sick diseased animals fed on gmo soya and corn and pumped full of antibiotics and other toxic drugs and its not hard to see what is really causing it.

 

The solution isn't to completely exclude all the most nutritious foods our ancestors thrived on for thousands of years in exchange for toxic processed plant foods that will destroy your health and your brain and destroy the habitats and lives of our beautiful wildlife 🙂

 

 

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Some interesting articles on the link between gluten and mental illness:

 

Psychiatrists have speculated about a potential link between gluten and schizophrenia for more than three decades. In fact, the term "bread madness" was coined half-a-century ago to describe schizophrenia—there were reports of mental patients recovering spontaneously when bread products (i.e., the bulk of gluten-containing foods in their diets) weren't available.

 

https://www.verywellmind.com/gluten-and-schizophrenia-562957

 

 

GLUTEN AS A TRIGGER FOR PSYCHOSIS

Although the role of food hypersensitivities in disease pathologies is highly controversial in the medical community, many recognize a parallel rise with dietary evolution in modern history.  Major shifts from ancestral diets largely absent of wheat or dairy to one with these as foundational components generate reasonable arguments on their implications for human health.  Industrialized food systems that streamline the way foods are grown, processed, and stored are often charged with altering their very nature down to its most infinitesimal molecules.  Yet, despite their diminutive size, micronutrients from food are essential to the complex processes and interactions that represent optimal health.

 

https://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/articles-1/2018/5/16/beyond-the-gut-the-relationship-between-gluten-psychosis-and-schizophrenia

 

Could this be one of the reasons why there are so many vegans who are mentally ill? 🤔

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21 hours ago, muir said:

probably that babies drinking human milk is a perversion?

lol

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19 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Perhaps vegans should think twice about owning a cat or a dog, and maybe consider a rabbit instead.

got that right buck-o but lets be clear

 

vegans help rabbits live in a dangerous world

carnivores own animals as property

 

 

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On 10/27/2019 at 3:49 PM, muir said:

 

probably that babies drinking human milk is a perversion?

 

Not your mother, not your milk they say.

 

They have minds that just don't function. I suppose we are all like that until the moment arrive.

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9 hours ago, Itsa said:

It makes me laugh that we are constantly being told that it is animal products that are destroying peoples health and the environment. 

If you look at the modern western diet you can see that it is already around 70% (probably more for most people) plant based already, made up of processed foods sugar and grains etc.... Throw in some factory farmed meat and dairy from sick diseased animals fed on gmo soya and corn and pumped full of antibiotics and other toxic drugs and its not hard to see what is really causing it.

 

The solution isn't to completely exclude all the most nutritious foods our ancestors thrived on for thousands of years in exchange for toxic processed plant foods that will destroy your health and your brain and destroy the habitats and lives of our beautiful wildlife 🙂

 

Thanks Itsa, that's a fascinating video. I wonder why they use implements?

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Another mentally ill vegan abusing there pet and encouraging fellow cult members to do the same

 

 

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On 10/27/2019 at 6:15 PM, zArk said:

woah, you carnivores eat insects? 

cochineal is disgusting and injected into glazed cherries and stuff and eating insects is really a poor show

 

 

 

Birds also eat birds and insects also eat insects.

Omnivores have a broader diet and that may increase chances of survival.

 

 

 

 

Vegan agenda = extinction

 

 

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9 hours ago, serpentine said:

Birds also eat birds and insects also eat insects.

Omnivores have a broader diet and that may increase chances of survival.

 

Omnivores/carnivores mentality necessitates self-destruction eventually

 

Some birds do eat other birds, some birds are bigger than others

 

Veganism is stupid yet it does come emerge from a group survival mentality.

 

Gorillas are herbivores. Tend to find the bigger , more organised groups , are herbivores

 

Carnivores become loners, small family group sizes because////////

they are fecking psychos with predominate self-interest

:D

 

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Mentally retarded vegan craves meat but eats poison instead

 

 

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1 hour ago, zArk said:

 

Omnivores/carnivores mentality necessitates self-destruction eventually

 

Some birds do eat other birds, some birds are bigger than others

 

Veganism is stupid yet it does come emerge from a group survival mentality.

 

Gorillas are herbivores. Tend to find the bigger , more organised groups , are herbivores

 

Carnivores become loners, small family group sizes because////////

they are fecking psychos with predominate self-interest

:D

 

 

Modern day vegans are arguing from the luxury of several million years of omnivorous hominid evolution where cooking/processing food. was a distant dream.

 

The act of hunting "wild animals" was also an important part of hominid evolution as it developed brain power and intelligence.

 

Vegan varieties of early hominids (if they ever existed) would have been food for the megafauna way back then.

 

 

 

I personally like vegans .........but I couldn't manage a whole one. :classic_smile:

 

 

 

 

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On 10/27/2019 at 12:55 PM, Chantelle Imperiosi said:

What are vegans' views on wet nursing?

 

On 10/27/2019 at 3:49 PM, muir said:

probably that babies drinking human milk is a perversion?

 

On 10/28/2019 at 5:45 PM, Chantelle Imperiosi said:

 

Not your mother, not your milk they say.

 

They have minds that just don't function. I suppose we are all like that until the moment arrive.

 

 

Ok .... I hope that this interaction is a piss take .... you know, having a laugh?

 

Else you both have zero idea of why 'vegans' think the way they do!

 

And to address the 'Vegans are abusing children' videos .... What you don't think that there are imbecilic vegans .... just like the greater mass of imbecilic meat eaters?

 

What is this?

 

The Vegan Agenda?

 

Vegans have been shafted by the MSM for decades .... but now you think they are trying to describe your mind?

Vegans in memes are held as justifiable material for ridicule .... but you consider that they hold any sway in the greater influence which defines the mass?

 

Really .... learn what vegans are and WHY they are before you post such drivel.

 

And NO .... I am NOT a vegan.

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1 hour ago, ink said:

Ok .... I hope that this interaction is a piss take .... you know, having a laugh?

 

yes i was taking the piss

 

if vegans won't use anything produced by animals do they see things synthetically created by humans as more superior (morally superior)?

 

because things created through the petrochemical industry will have come at a cost to people and the environment

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, muir said:

if vegans won't use anything produced by animals

 

Well .... animals only produce piss, shit and a replica of themselves!

 

So vegans probably aren't relating those 'products' to items synthetically created by humans!

 

Thus I have no idea of the platform for your argument :)

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7 minutes ago, ink said:

Well .... animals only produce piss, shit and a replica of themselves!

 

So vegans probably aren't relating those 'products' to items synthetically created by humans!

 

Thus I have no idea of the platform for your argument :)

 

if they won't use leather or wool or silk for example then they will need to use synthetic substitutes

 

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4 minutes ago, muir said:

if they won't use leather or wool or silk for example then they will need to use synthetic substitutes

 

Hemp?

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37 minutes ago, ink said:

Hemp?

 

ok but there can be the 'spiral of intervention'

 

i don't know enough about the mass production of hemp to know if there are any externalities to the process but i have heard that soy production denatures the soil

 

So lets say for example people decide to eat more soy instead of more meat and they chop down the rainforest to make way for soy plantations except they only have a certain half life due to the denaturing of the soil so then they have to clear more forest and create a new plantation for the next tranche of crops or the spiral of intervention could be that you then have to try and do something about the denatured soil so maybe you add fertiliser, but maybe there is some issue with the fertiliser for example maybe it creates harmful by products so that you then have to deal with those

 

or you want to replace oil with renewable so you create lots of solar panels but in the process of doing so you create many harmful toxins through the manufacturing process and then you have the problem of dealing with those toxic byproducts etc etc and so the spiral of intervention goes on

 

if you swap out wool, leather and silk production for the mass production of hemp then what are the knock on effects of that?

 

That's the beauty of permaculture: that it is supposed to feed back into itself everything that it needs. Nature managed that we just didn't listen

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Monsanto afaik is buying up even more land due to the booming number of vegans.

 

I called this thread "The Vegan Agenda" because I see an increasing correlation between the climate change "debate"  and

a move to a more plant based diet for all.  It's not impossible in the future to see a special tax on meat products.

 

There's also the question of even more GM crops. I think we should all be diligent, whatever food we choose to eat.

Monsanto Owner Bayer to Potentially Become Involved with Vegan Meat Production

"Pharmaceutical giant Bayer, which owns Monsanto has said that it is closely watching the plant-based meat market and that it could potentially enter the market as an alt protein producer.

 

“They are sourcing different types of crops and that also could create opportunity for us, being a company that is a plant-breeding company,” said Reiter, who works for Bayer’s crop science division.When Bayer bought Monsanto in 2017, for a reported $57 billion,  it took control of 29% of the world´s seeds and 24% of its pesticides.

 

Its debateable ethics code will lead some vegans to criticise its possible entrance into the vegan marketplace. Bayer describes its use of animals in experiments, for example. One might also look to the use of the pesticide Roundup as another case where the company does not appear to align with veganism or environmental concern."

 

https://vegconomist.com/companies-and-portraits/monsanto-owner-bayer-to-potentially-become-involved-with-vegan-meat-production/

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4 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

Monsanto afaik is buying up even more land due to the booming number of vegans.

 

I called this thread "The Vegan Agenda" because I see an increasing correlation between the climate change "debate"  and

a move to a more plant based diet for all.  It's not impossible in the future to see meat being taxed.

 

it won't just be a case of attacking meat consumption so that land is turned from cattle rearing to plants they are already attacking fossil fuels so that land will be turned over to growing crops that will be used as biofuels

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