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UK General Election 2019 - observations, opinions, seats and results to watch

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Its the 'Brexit' election, or is it?

 

The Conservatives are campaigning on the back of a slogan of "Get Brexit Done".

 

The LibDems are campaining on the back of a slogan "Last chance to Stop Brexit"

 

And the Labour Party? Well, no-one is really sure are they, and they are seemingly campaigning on the back of a promise of "free stuff for everyone" while trying to avoid talking about Brexit altogether.

 

The Brexit Party have found themselves marginalised, and people are waking up to the possibility they are just a faction of the Tories, having stood down in a number of seats, thus denying many voters the opportunity to vote for a party that wants a 'real Brexit', not some rehashed version of Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement that will not actually see the UK leave the EU.

 

 

I'll start this thread off with an observation on a 'seat to watch', namely Birmingham Hall Green.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Hall_Green_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

 

Roger Godsiff was the Labour MP from 2010 to 2019, but was deselected by the party following a row over his support for the Anderton Park Primary School protestors.

 

He is now standing as an independent in the 2019 election taking place on Thursday 12th December (the results of which - for the superstitious amongst us - will be known on Friday 13th December)

 

Mr Godsiff enjoyed a huge majority at the last election in 2017 (see link above) as a Labour candidate, and it is worth noting that the Hall Green constituency also includes the Sparkbrook and Sparkhill areas of the city, which have majority Muslim populations now.

 

I have already observed at least one pro-Godsiff election poster on display in a shop on Stoney Lane, Sparkhill, which I pass by on my bus journey to and from work.

 

I will be keeping an eye on the result of this one, as it will be a useful barometer to see if the local Muslims will continue to just blindly vote Labour, or whether the local imams are advising their congregations to back a man who supports them instead.

 

On a side note, it will also be interesting to see if local Muslims continue to vote in their numbers for Jess Phillips in neighbouring Birmingham Yardley, despite her involvement in denouncing the protestors at Anderton Park.

 

 

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that a religion such as fundamentalist Islam is.going to have any influence.at all on the outcome of the UK general elections should concern all non Muslims

 

They wont.act in your.interests once they become around 30-40% of the population 

 

In every nation that ever happened in comes civil war and partition of land as they demand to be segregated

 

Every time

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I reckon the banksters, big corporations and the queen will win again! In all seriousness I reckon it will be hung with conservatives having the most seats. It’s who the media promote the most, so the mind controlled sheep will generally vote for them because the media owners don’t want to pay tax. It will be interesting either way. 

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West Bromwich East

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bromwich_East_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

 

This constituency was most famously the seat of Labour Deputy Leader Tom Watson, a resident of London and follower of east London football clubs, despite having West Bromwich Albion FC in his constituency.

 

Tom Watson announced he would not be contesting this seat again, probably not relishing the prospect of coming up against a local electorate who voted by 68% to Leave in the 2016 EU Referendum, although he still returned a majority at the 2017 GE. His replacement is yet another parachuted in Londoner, a self-professed millionaire and pro-Remainer, who was also previously a Tory donor. (more on Mr Ibrahim Dogus here: http://thesandwellskidder.blogspot.com/2019/11/utter-humiliation-of-wbe-labour.html)

 

Most of interest here is the candidature of one George Galloway, standing as an independent. Standing on a pro-Brexit ticket, he was perhaps relishing the prospect of defeating Tom Watson.

 

'Leave' now have some choice of Conservative, Brexit Party or a Brexit independent, so it remains to be seen whether this will be an example of 'splitting the Leave vote' which will end up returning yet another Labour MP.

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14 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

And the Labour Party? Well, no-one is really sure are they, and they are seemingly campaigning on the back of a promise of "free stuff for everyone" while trying to avoid talking about Brexit altogether.

Corbyn hasn't avoided it at all.
He's offering to negotiate a deal to leave, that he believes will be of benefit to the whole of the UK, as opposed to the 'May and Johnson' deal.
He then proposes giving everyone the choice to vote if we accept and want his deal or to remain.
Quite clear really..

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5 hours ago, Basket Case said:

Corbyn hasn't avoided it at all.
He's offering to negotiate a deal to leave, that he believes will be of benefit to the whole of the UK, as opposed to the 'May and Johnson' deal.
He then proposes giving everyone the choice to vote if we accept and want his deal or to remain.
Quite clear really..

 

But Corbyn himself won't come clean on whether he will back Leaving or Remaining. He must have some serious splinters in his arse from sitting on the fence all this time.

 

His own idea of a 'deal to leave' is to negotiate continued membership of the Customs Union and single market. That isn't 'leaving' in any sense of the word, just as much as Boris' 'deal' isn't 'leaving' either.

 

Then you have the likes of Emily Thornberry, who claims Labour would negotiate a new deal with the EU then put it to the people in a 'second referendum' which they would then campaign against. 😄

 

But anyway I think my point stands, much of Labour's campaigning so far has managed to avoid talk of Brexit, preferring 'free broadband for all' as a vote-winning talking point. 🤔

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37 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

But Corbyn himself won't come clean on whether he will back Leaving or Remaining


His point being that it's not about what he wants but will do what people vote on in his proposed referendum. 
He see's it as the best way forward, given the messed up situation the Tories have caused. 
Free FIBRE OPTIC broadband.
Given the present day internet age, there's a lot of the country lagging way behind London....in actual connections AND speed.

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Election weather

A lot of attention was given to the timing of this General Election, polling day is on Thursday 12th December, with some comments being made that turnouts could be low if the weather is bad.

 

MetOffice long-range forecast:

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Sunday 8 Dec - Sunday 22 Dec

The period is likely to begin on the cold side for most regions, with wintry showers at times in the north, and perhaps over high ground in the south. Widespread frosts and ice are also likely. There looks to be a change around mid-month to milder conditions, although the timing is very uncertain. This change looks likely to bring milder and wetter conditions across most parts of the UK, allowing temperatures to recover to around average, or perhaps slightly above. The wettest conditions are likely to be in the north and west, with an increased likelihood of drier spells in the south and southeast. Colder interludes are still possible, mainly in the north.

 

Piers Corbyn's WeatherAction website has the following:

 

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#Election2019 UK will face *OMG* appalling weather during much of the campaign and especially on Dec12 ElectionDay - with extreme cold & snow and/or heavy rain and storms - especially in the North. The weather will change in dramatic switches and there will be some good finer spells too but the main message is BAD weatherIt will be THE WeatherElection!  WISE UP! 

 

Would a low voter turnout suit any party? I guess some people might not bother to head out to a polling station if it is snowing or raining heavily, which would leave the outcome to be decided by those determined enough to go and vote anyway, or through postal votes.

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On 11/24/2019 at 5:45 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

Election weather

A lot of attention was given to the timing of this General Election, polling day is on Thursday 12th December, with some comments being made that turnouts could be low if the weather is bad.

 

MetOffice long-range forecast:

 

Piers Corbyn's WeatherAction website has the following:

 

 

Would a low voter turnout suit any party? I guess some people might not bother to head out to a polling station if it is snowing or raining heavily, which would leave the outcome to be decided by those determined enough to go and vote anyway, or through postal votes.

This is only my opinion but bad weather could be good for us leavers. Think about it this way, most remoners are your typical liberal soy boy lot where us brexiteers are made of sterner stuff. A bit of snow and ice about isn't going to stop us voting for a leave candidate but it just might make the snowflakes stay at home. they will be watching the BBC and heeding all the BS weather warnings:classic_laugh:

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19 hours ago, Itsjaybigjay said:

This is only my opinion but bad weather could be good for us leavers. Think about it this way, most remoners are your typical liberal soy boy lot where us brexiteers are made of sterner stuff. A bit of snow and ice about isn't going to stop us voting for a leave candidate but it just might make the snowflakes stay at home. they will be watching the BBC and heeding all the BS weather warnings:classic_laugh:

 

I can go along with that, that is certainly one possible outcome. Maybe TPTB are banking on Leave voters being mostly elderly, so may not bother to go and vote if its snowy and icy outside.

 

 

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brexit brexit brexit

 

points of note:

1. corbyn and labour sitting on the fence is pathetic

2. boris is a dishonourable ***t who should of resigned on 1st november or at the latest when the G.E. was announced

3. lib dems , lol, giggle, top bunch

4. farage, shows his true colours --- announces he is only fielding a partial team and now says a good deal is the best option (previously threatening to run in all constituencies and only a no-deal is the propa brexit)

 

so in conclusion, get off the register, dont give the pedo protectors a mandate, stick 2 fingers up and do not get suckered into asking to be ruled by another

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Or perhaps it speaks volumes about how the Brexit Party has nothing else to talk about apart from Brexit?

 

Nigel Farage does make a point in that the debate would probably not be fair and objective. But by refusing to take part in the debate, isn't that a form of "cutting your nose off to spite your own face"?

 

What would I have done? I'd have gone to the debate, tried my hardest to get my points across in a clear and concise manner, and if I felt that the debate was not being conducted in a fair and objective way then damn well point that out to the audience in the studio and at home.

 

Sadly I feel these 'debates' are just a waste of everybody's time though, just politicians repeating soundbites and slogans, and attacking other parties policies rather than trying to promote their own.

 

From what I've read so far, may as well have just run repeats of the debates from 2015 and 2017.

 

Anyway, back to the Brexit Party, anyone would think that they didn't want to do well at this election now.

 

"Change politics for good" - haha, no chance of that now. The Turquoise Tories have revealed their hand far too early, should have contested all 650 seats like Farage said he would, and not gone trying to form an alliance with the Conservatives.

 

I'm only voting for them as a 'protest vote'.

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alexa is it true that the media no longer even attempts a pretence of impartiality or journalistic professionalism?

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19 hours ago, zArk said:

brexit brexit brexit

 

points of note:

1. corbyn and labour sitting on the fence is pathetic

 

corbyn is not on the fence

 

if labour win they will destroy brexit, open the borders and increase the debt

 

in order to understand this you have to understand what 'social democracy' is. Social democracy is fabianism which seeks to achieve a world STATE-socialist government through reform instead of revolution

 

to achieve this they make incremental changes towards their goal while seeking to sabotage 'capitalism' (its really cartelism) so that they can bring nation states to a point of crisis. Once the world is in crisis the rothschild cabal can then offer their pre-prepared solution: world technocratic government

 

once you realise that labours policy is to sabotage the nation state everything they do will make sense. it will also help to make sense of why the cartelists drove the global economy onto the rocks in 2008 and are attempting to do the same again today

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Well ...... I´m sort of with George Carlin, but not entirely!   A lot of Joe Public "suck", but not all.

 

I will add a lot of these politicians are blackmailed to serve Israel.

 

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

Well ...... I´m sort of with George Carlin, but not entirely!   A lot of Joe Public "suck", but not all.

 

I will add a lot of these politicians are blackmailed to serve Israel.

 

israel is not seperate from the rothschild-cabals plot to enslave the world under a state-socialist technocracy. Israel is one of the vehicles for the big tech that is being developed in concert with hasbara assets in silicon valley that is going to form the infrastructure of the SMART grid

 

The entire system will be run by artificial intelligence so LOGICALLY we can then assume that the people who programme the AI will be the people who control the SMART system

 

I am suggesting that the people behind Israel are the same people behind the EU and the CFR and the central banks and the mega-corporations and those people will be the people who develop the AI

 

I would go further and say that they are part of a sabbatean, luciferian cult and that they are creating their own messiah in the AI which they intend to use to impose their top down control over the rest of mankind including their own religion

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6 hours ago, muir said:

corbyn is not on the fence

 

well, i was portraying what has actually been said

 

dont wanna give the impression i am wet behind the ears re: politics

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5 hours ago, muir said:

they are creating their own messiah in the AI which they intend to use to impose their top down control over the rest of mankind including their own religion

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I have just seen a forecast for end of next week, so around the time of the General Election, surprise surprise as heavy snow is being forecast for much of the UK. It all depends on how heavy we get the snow of course however could be a deciding factor on the eventual turnout of the voting community.

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21 hours ago, eliteincontrol said:

I have just seen a forecast for end of next week, so around the time of the General Election, surprise surprise as heavy snow is being forecast for much of the UK. It all depends on how heavy we get the snow of course however could be a deciding factor on the eventual turnout of the voting community.

 

I tend to go with forecasts from The Weather Channel (https://weather.com/en-GB/) as they seem to be more reliable than the MetOffice, even their 10-day forecast is now suggesting "rain/snow showers" in the West Midlands for polling day (12th December).

 

But the thing is, it only takes a little bit of snow for everyone to lose their minds...

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