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20 minutes ago, The Apprentice said:

And around the avatars will go, in an ever increasing circle jerk of archetypal confusion.

 

a quick scan of this thread seems to show the usual conflict between the wings of the dialectic with some people arguing for more state control while others argue for neoliberalism

 

no one is speaking about rejecting both wings as well as their planned for synthesis (the technocracy) and instead pursuing decentralised solutions that take power away from both the state AND the corporations

 

all we see is the entrenchment of the dialectic by the same old people and sometimes i wonder if they are being paid to come here and do that

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muir you have nothing to say. You are simply now spreading negativity because you have been found out

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2 minutes ago, muir said:

 

a quick scan of this thread seems to show the usual conflict between the wings of the dialectic with some people arguing for more state control while others argue for neoliberalism

 

no one is speaking about rejecting both wings as well as their planned for synthesis (the technocracy) and instead pursuing decentralised solutions that take power away from both the state AND the corporations

 

all we see is the entrenchment of the dialectic by the same old people and sometimes i wonder if they are being paid to come here and do that

 

That is because at the bottom of their hearts they truly know they are already high and dry without the wherewithall or the resolve to cope without their opiate/s and or avenues of survival without either.

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1 minute ago, The Apprentice said:

That is because at the bottom of their hearts they truly know they are already high and dry without the wherewithall or the resolve to cope without their opiate/s and or avenues of survival without either.

 

well that's the problem isn't it that we have a growing urban population who are increasingly disconnected from production of any sort

 

they then feel helplessly dependent and will then vote for parties offering them hand outs and by doing so they empower the people who will then create stronger central authorities that will then deepen the problem by stepping up all of these processes that drive dependency on the state and disconnection from nature and production and the self esteem and balance that comes from that

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1 minute ago, muir said:

 

well that's the problem isn't it that we have a growing urban population who are increasingly disconnected from production of any sort

 

they then feel helplessly dependent and will then vote for parties offering them hand outs and by doing so they empower the people who will then create stronger central authorities that will then deepen the problem by stepping up all of these processes that drive dependency on the state and disconnection from nature and production and the self esteem and balance that comes from that

 

History tells us that they will end up building bridges that are not for them to cross, and might as well whistle dixie.

 

 

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18 hours ago, muir said:

 

a quick scan of this thread seems to show the usual conflict between the wings of the dialectic with some people arguing for more state control while others argue for neoliberalism

 

no one is speaking about rejecting both wings as well as their planned for synthesis (the technocracy) and instead pursuing decentralised solutions that take power away from both the state AND the corporations

 

all we see is the entrenchment of the dialectic by the same old people and sometimes i wonder if they are being paid to come here and do that

 

You must have missed my comment earlier in the thread. 😉

 

I completely reject the idea that as a voter, I only have a choice between Conservative or Labour. And this is something that I try to explain to people elsewhere.

 

There are a multitude of other political parties out there, some of them will have policies that a lot of people agree with, while others might disagree.

 

Nothing ever really changes, not while The Establishment is in control. And The Establishment is Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democrat, and arguably also the SNP, Brexit Party, Plaid Cymru and Greens.

 

People are tricked and deceived into thinking that only Labour or Conservative have any chance of winning an election. "Tactical voting" is being actively encouraged, "better vote Tory to keep Labour out" and vice versa.

 

Opinion polls are used to influence voters, and to coerce them into voting for one or the other. "Tories are leading in the polls, better not vote Green then, and vote Labour instead, got to get the Tories out" etc etc

 

If the 'non-voters' would get off their backsides and go down to the polling station and vote for some other party, and those voters who do make the effort stuck to their guns and voted for the party they truly believed in, the election results would be so much more different.

 

But this will require a huge shift in peoples' perceptions. If you want change, I'm afraid you're going to have to vote for it, and vote differently. While people continue to vote either Labour or Conservative, nothing is ever really going to change.

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

People are tricked and deceived into thinking that only Labour or Conservative have any chance of winning an election. "Tactical voting" is being actively encouraged, "better vote Tory to keep Labour out" and vice versa.

 

that's because they have made this election a brexit vote

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Just now, muir said:

 

that's because they have made this election a brexit vote

 

But this has been the case even when it wasn't a 'Brexit vote'.

 

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18 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

But this has been the case even when it wasn't a 'Brexit vote'.

 

the politicians are doing their usual thing of promising the electorate the stars if they vote for them but once in power they will renege on those promises as they always do

 

this election however is being held as another attempt to derail brexit through the democratic process. If labour scores a resounding victory they will cancel brexit and claim that the british public gave them the democratic mandate to do that by voting them into power

 

If the tories win then the elites are in a tricky situation because they still don't have the democratic mandate to cancel brexit. They will then have to try something else and that will expose the sham that we call 'democracy' in this country even more and frankly that is a good thing because its only through enough people seeing through all this that they will fully come to realise that they aren't free at all

 

So i'd like to see the ball shoved back into the court of the elites because i want to see their next move and i want to see the public wake up when the elites make their next move. if labour win then the elites will be let off the hook, britain will be dissolved into the EU and we will have lost the opportunity to expose the elite face behind the democratic mask

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3 minutes ago, muir said:

 

the politicians are doing their usual thing of promising the electorate the stars if they vote for them but once in power they will renege on those promises as they always do

 

 

I agree, nothing new there then!

 

3 minutes ago, muir said:

this election however is being held as another attempt to derail brexit through the democratic process. If labour scores a resounding victory they will cancel brexit and claim that the british public gave them then democratic mandate to do that

 

I agree that this election is an attempt to derail Brexit - but it is the LibDems who have made it their key policy to 'stop Brexit', so if they somehow win this election (and I would not rule this out at this point) they would be perfectly able to do so, "will of the people" and all that.

 

If Boris were to win, he would have a mandate to push through his "not really leaving" rehash of May's withdrawal agreement.

 

If Corbyn were to win, we would have even more delays and obstruction, as he would have to go back to the drawing board and come up with a 'new deal' to put to the EU (which the EU have already said is not open to negotiation) then if the EU somehow agree to this deal (which it probably would, if it involves the UK remaining in the customs union and single market, thus "not really leaving") we would have to go through the rigmarole of yet another referendum, which Labour would then actively campaign against the deal they had agreed, and push for the electorate to vote to Remain.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I agree that this election is an attempt to derail Brexit - but it is the LibDems who have made it their key policy to 'stop Brexit', so if they somehow win this election

 

labour would kill brexit and everyone knows it

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1 hour ago, muir said:

 

labour would kill brexit and everyone knows it

Socialism = Globalism

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be an elector in an election at the very least. voting is for losers

 

or better still

vote for yourself

take responsibility

be sovereign

 

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8 minutes ago, Logos said:

Socialism = Globalism

Happily I'm not right bothered what an American thinks, and Kaya the working class Tory can get stuffed too.

I live in The Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire and I like it.

And... Just for you Logos, The Internationale!

Arise, ye workers from your slumber,
Arise, ye prisoners of want.
For reason in revolt now thunders,
and at last ends the age of cant!
Away with all your superstitions,
Servile masses, arise, arise!
We'll change henceforth the old tradition,
And spurn the dust to win the prize!
Chorus
So comrades, come rally,
And the last fight let us face.
The Internationale
Unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction,
On tyrants only we'll make war!
The soldiers too will take strike action,
They'll break ranks and fight no more!
And if those cannibals keep trying,
To sacrifice us to their pride,
They soon shall hear the bullets flying,
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.
Chorus

No saviour from on high delivers,
No faith have we in prince or peer.
Our own right hand the chains must shiver,
Chains of hatred, greed and fear.
E'er the thieves will out with their booty,
And to all give a happier lot.
Each at his forge must do their duty,
And we'll strike the iron while it's hot.
Chorus

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4 hours ago, gregory-peccary said:

Happily I'm not right bothered what an American thinks, and Kaya the working class Tory can get stuffed too.

I live in The Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire and I like it.

And... Just for you Logos, The Internationale!

Arise, ye workers from your slumber,
Arise, ye prisoners of want.
For reason in revolt now thunders,
and at last ends the age of cant!
Away with all your superstitions,
Servile masses, arise, arise!
We'll change henceforth the old tradition,
And spurn the dust to win the prize!
Chorus
So comrades, come rally,
And the last fight let us face.
The Internationale
Unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction,
On tyrants only we'll make war!
The soldiers too will take strike action,
They'll break ranks and fight no more!
And if those cannibals keep trying,
To sacrifice us to their pride,
They soon shall hear the bullets flying,
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.
Chorus

No saviour from on high delivers,
No faith have we in prince or peer.
Our own right hand the chains must shiver,
Chains of hatred, greed and fear.
E'er the thieves will out with their booty,
And to all give a happier lot.
Each at his forge must do their duty,
And we'll strike the iron while it's hot.
Chorus

 

You do know that as soon as you get your commie revolution they will kill you first ? 

 

They would have to , otherwise you might try and revolt again

 

Thats how it goes every time its done 

 

Good luck pecker head

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Capitalism is superior because wealth should be concentrated in the hands of the few. Those rich elite should be the ones making most of the decisions in the world, because they worked hard and earned it.

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7 hours ago, Savage71 said:

Capitalism is superior because wealth should be concentrated in the hands of the few. Those rich elite should be the ones making most of the decisions in the world, because they worked hard and earned it.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is on the DIF everybody! Welcome Jacob and your 13 children!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am assuming that you have your tongue in your cheek here?

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To vote is in the path for slavery. 

Socialist threats (if it's correct to speak of threats) don't exist longer.

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socialism says the State is the Highest Authority and that everyone is subject to that authority

however

the foundation of modern england is based upon the Magna Carta and common law , everyone is sovereign and the people are the highest authority

the state serves the people. people can choose to work for the state on a contractual basis or choose not to.

 

socialism really is a slave system

the opposite of socialism is individualism not capitalism

 

socialism and communism have been linked

individualism and capitalism have been linked

they have similarities and are decent fits for each other but they are not the same thing

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18 hours ago, Logos said:

Socialism = Globalism

 

well it equals STATE-socialism because globalism is consolidating all of the wealth and power into a smaller and smaller number of hands who are consolidating their corporations into fewer and larger trans-national mega-corporations

 

clearly the desire of the people behind that process is to be the masters of everyone and they cannot achieve TOTAL control under capitalism because capitalism is the belief that people should be able to transact among themselves and if they can do that then the elites can't control that trade

 

so in order to achieve TOTAL control they must use a government as only a government can make laws that can force people to do things. So the cabal behind the consolidation of corporate power seek ultimately to create a centralised WORLD GOVERNMENT and to use technology as the means by which they can monitor everything that everyone is doing to ensure that they are not acting, thinking, speaking or trading for themselves

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19 hours ago, gregory-peccary said:

Happily I'm not right bothered what an American thinks, and Kaya the working class Tory can get stuffed too.

I live in The Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire and I like it.

 

when the normans invaded britain they set their jewish administrators to work creating a central authority backed by the mailed fist of the fuedal legal system that they imposed on everyone which made people the slaves of the new land owning class

 

the jewish administrators created the 'exchequer' which is the british tax system to take the fruits of your labour so that they could use that to build castles with which they could then control you. They also inventorised all the assets of the country right down to what livestock people owned and compiled this data in the 'doomsday book' which showed that they now viewed everything within britain as their property

 

the people of the north didn't like this being as they were of a regional mindset so the normans ravaged the north, raping killing and burning of buildings and crops. Half of the villages of the north riding and over a third of those of the east and west ridings were entirely or largely destroyed. This led to a famine that killed upto 100,000 people followed by the plague. Some were driven to cannabalism to survive the winters.

 

That's what happens when central authorities exist and seek to socially engineer populations which they deem politically incorrect. Under current progressive thought most of britain is viewed as politically incorrect

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21 hours ago, gregory-peccary said:

Happily I'm not right bothered what an American thinks

I'm always happy to see commie europeans get triggered by a murican, show's we're still doing something right
The Internationale

De globalist anthem
 

 

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17 hours ago, Savage71 said:

Capitalism is superior because wealth should be concentrated in the hands of the few. Those rich elite should be the ones making most of the decisions in the world, because they worked hard and earned it.

I 100% agree 😂😂🤣

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On 11/25/2019 at 1:21 AM, muir said:

 

a quick scan of this thread seems to show the usual conflict between the wings of the dialectic with some people arguing for more state control while others argue for neoliberalism

 

no one is speaking about rejecting both wings as well as their planned for synthesis (the technocracy) and instead pursuing decentralised solutions that take power away from both the state AND the corporations

 

all we see is the entrenchment of the dialectic by the same old people and sometimes i wonder if they are being paid to come here and do that

 

 

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