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September 11th 2001 was a tragic day that will forever go down in history as one of the worst atrocities of human terror.

What won't go down in history is that this terror wasn't caused by terrorists but rather by US extremists called......CIA? Rothschild family? US Military? Bush?

Discuss.

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Well of course some people believe it was the modern day "pearl harbour event" to gain support for yet another war.

We can't prove that but the official version of events ,as is so often the case, has more holes in it than a colander.

 

 

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i find the most interesting emergence, due to the internet rapidly gaining popularity during the 2 decades, is/was organised groups becoming 9/11 truth leaders

 

most of those are still around gobbing off however those loud voices at the beginning are gone, most giving the finger to the twooth leaders on their way out.

 

while i expected a widespread distrust of the official story, i didnt expect a widespread slumbing on the issue.

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I harbour hope that, at least in my daughters lifetime, if not my own, that the truth will out. Unfortunately the perpetrators will long be dead, and the population will fail to connect them to the current regimes they are living under. 

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The thing that annoys me most is that there is so much evidence to prove that this was an inside job and yet most people choose to believe the official story. You're right though Gareth, the people involved will be long dead and the population won't turn over the changes that have been made since the events of that day. It's a huge clusterfk.

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People will fight  you hard to stay stuck in the matrix  or illusion or whatever you want to call it.

 

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The message delivered with 9/11 is "F you, we'll do what we want to"

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Not only that;  they tell you what they are going to do in advance.

 

  • Simpsons episodes
  • Front covers of The Economist
  • Films such as Minority report
  • Advertising with hidden symbolism

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War, illegal trading, destruction of evidence, Bank heist, distraction, insurance money, stock manipulation, and many more things they got out of one attack. It was like a Hollywood kung-fu kick that took out everything.

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I just stumbled across this video from 3 months before 9/11......William Cooper died 3 weeks after 9/11.
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It's not really one of the worst atrocities in human history. Sadly, It's only one of the worst ever to hit America!

 

Other countries including the UK have been bombed and attacked many times over the years.

 

I don't think many people believe any of the lies about the official story, it was an inside job and they used the attack as a reason to invade the middle east and to grab a lot of oil fields.

 

The bogey man that was Osama Bin Laden was killed years ago according to the Indian PM and she was killed for saying it publicly.

 

If the Americans had really captured and killed him they would have filmed him and then killed him.

 

Just one big bag of lies, and lots of innocent people have died to allow the invasion of the middle east.

 

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On 1/29/2019 at 2:57 PM, garethicke said:

I harbour hope that, at least in my daughters lifetime, if not my own, that the truth will out. Unfortunately the perpetrators will long be dead, and the population will fail to connect them to the current regimes they are living under. 

 

 

Me too Gareth.

 

This inside job led to the carpet bombing of Afghanistan with cluster bombs, the remnants of which still maim and kill children and adults today.

 

I just don´t believe the person called Osama Bin laden orchestrated this attack upon the USA from a cave in Afghanistan.

 

Because of the anti Muslim feeling in the US and across the world, they then blamed Iraq for weapons of mass destruction, which I hope most members know  was

a Zionist lie.

 

 

 

 

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So some people make rubbish documentaries, debunking them doesn't mean the official story is true. This is the best summary, nice and quick just 5 mins.

 

 

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After all this time, all these discussions and movements.... with all the evidence (or lack of) ...still the 'world' does not seem to care.

Could we, 'the questioners', be a symptom of such atrocities ?

Is it possible that such events are created in order to channel and control , so that those who dare to question can be easily spotted and flagged, whilst being ridiculed.

'Fire in the hole'. 🧙‍♂️

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1 hour ago, Astraldruid said:

After all this time, all these discussions and movements.... with all the evidence (or lack of) ...still the 'world' does not seem to care.

Could we, 'the questioners', be a symptom of such atrocities ?

Is it possible that such events are created in order to channel and control , so that those who dare to question can be easily spotted and flagged, whilst being ridiculed.

'Fire in the hole'. 🧙‍♂️

 

No i don't think so. I think 911 was carried out to achieve a number of objectives. The neocons wanted to smash nationalism across the middle east and north africa. In order to achieve that they needed to use the most powerful military on the planet: the US military

 

In order to be able to mobilise the US military they needed to be at war and in order to be at war they needed the US to be attacked

 

On top of those objectives other objectives were also achieved for example the department investigating the missing 2.2 trillion dollars that donald rumsfeld announced was missing from the military budget the day before 911, was struck by the tomahawk missile that hit the pentagon. Also the magnitude of the 911 attacks provided a smokescreen behind which that bit of bad news could be buried from public view. If i had to guess at where that missing money went i'd imagine it went into black ops like: robotics and AI, space warfare and geoengineering but i'm speculating there. 

 

Some people also profited through the insurance of the buildings that were destroyed. There was also gold in the basement of the towers but i can't remember the specifics of that angle. other things went on but my memory is hazy on the details. The main objective though was to be able to launch the 'war on terror' which of course is a war that never ends because you cannot defeat an emotion

 

 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, muir said:

 

No i don't think so. I think 911 was carried out to achieve a number of objectives. The neocons wanted to smash nationalism across the middle east and north africa. In order to achieve that they needed to use the most powerful military on the planet: the US military

 

In order to be able to mobilise the US military they needed to be at war and in order to be at war they needed the US to be attacked

 

On top of those objectives other objectives were also achieved for example the department investigating the missing 2.2 trillion dollars that donald rumsfeld announced was missing from the military budget the day before 911, was struck by the tomahawk missile that hit the pentagon. Also the magnitude of the 911 attacks provided a smokescreen behind which that bit of bad news could be buried from public view. If i had to guess at where that missing money went i'd imagine it went into black ops like: robotics and AI, space warfare and geoengineering but i'm speculating there. 

 

Some people also profited through the insurance of the buildings that were destroyed. There was also gold in the basement of the towers but i can't remember the specifics of that angle. other things went on but my memory is hazy on the details. The main objective though was to be able to launch the 'war on terror' which of course is a war that never ends because you cannot defeat an emotion

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, i totally agree.

I have been away from forum activity for a few years, i have to re-learn to be precise with my  (often unusual) posts. Yes there were many, many agendas at play on enormous scales.

My point was, could we be one of the symptoms of these events, could it be one of the ways that control is exerted and exacted on us ?

So the agendas (TPTB) get their way and as a by-product we the questioners are flagged as loons quite easily..?

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17 minutes ago, Astraldruid said:

Yes, i totally agree.

I have been away from forum activity for a few years, i have to re-learn to be precise with my  (often unusual) posts. Yes there were many, many agendas at play on enormous scales.

My point was, could we be one of the symptoms of these events, could it be one of the ways that control is exerted and exacted on us ?

So the agendas (TPTB) get their way and as a by-product we the questioners are flagged as loons quite easily..?

 

The issue of perception is one i find fascinating. The controllers call their use of the mass media to control the way the public see the world 'perception management'

 

They are managing our perception. So with the 911 event they must shape a public perception that a super villain called osama bin laden created a terrorist organisation that was operating out of a cave system in afghanistan and that a cell from that organisation carried out the 911 attacks. In order for the neocons to be able to justify the deployment of the US military this perception of a terrorist threat which must be wiped out must be maintained in the public mind

 

The reasons why some of the public will allow themselves to be fooled on that issue is an interesting area to think about. Some people are heavily invested in maintaining their current perception of reality. Some people ideologically agree with the war on terror and they don't want to speak about the wrongs or rights of  911

 

others are so wrapped up in trying to get by in the system that their lives are ruled by fear. If they don't go to work today they fear they will lose their job. If they lose their job they fear they will not be able to make payments on their car and on their mortgage. If they adopt ideas that put them out of synch with the people in their workplace they are afraid that it may upset the apple cart that is their life. The mass media gives them their cues on how they are supposed to think about everything and they reason that as long as they play the game they will not fall down and lose the life that they have built around themselves

 

The system tells them that bin laden did it so that is what they must believe if they are to remain in synch with the system. The system wants them to ridicule people who question that and they will do it not only to remain on side with the system but also out of spite because they cannot understand why those people are not as ruled by fear as they are. They want those people to fail because they want to believe that there is no other way than how they themselves are living their lives because it allows them to justify to themselves their cowardice

 

They can reason that you are a fool if you step out of line because you will be crushed if you do that and in order to bolster that belief they will assist you in your failure so that their belief becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. When you are ridiculed and alienated and pushed to the fringes they can sit back and have peace in their mind that they were right: obeying the system really IS the only way to live

 

''see what's happened to you? That's why i never question anything because if you question things then your life will fall apart. My way of living is correct''- said the house slave

 

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I too find perception fascinating.

In fact, i ran a forum called 'perceived reality' for 5 years or so.. nothing grand and spectacular, like this one, but we had good discussion and lively debate , until rusky porn spam bots ruined it.

Ahh well..

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10 minutes ago, Astraldruid said:

I too find perception fascinating.

In fact, i ran a forum called 'perceived reality' for 5 years or so.. nothing grand and spectacular, like this one, but we had good discussion and lively debate , until rusky porn spam bots ruined it.

Ahh well..

 

Do agencies like the CIA not have ways of making actions look like they come from russia?

 

Twitter Invents Russian Bots - Then Says They’re Venezuelan

 

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6 minutes ago, muir said:

 

Do agencies like the CIA not have ways of making actions look like they come from russia?

Interesting,,,Never occured to me. I was just happy to get away from it , to be honest, once it turned sour. I tried to save it, but once in they are a nightmare to banish.

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2 minutes ago, Astraldruid said:

Interesting,,,Never occured to me. I was just happy to get away from it , to be honest, once it turned sour. I tried to save it, but once in they are a nightmare to banish.

 

You think its russia that wants to stop people in the west discussing conspiracy theories? I doubt it

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