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In this world and all there is science we are encouraged to make savings, here is a guy who has made a mode of transport that could be used on shorter distances, but an ocean is a tough order.

 

 

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I like your posts as they speak to frugality and making do. Very timely. I can see from some of your other posts you are quite the craftsman.

To me the TV is full of programmes showing people how to restore things, buying used stuff to sell on, looking for bargains etc. I think this subconsciously prepares the minds of the viewers for ongoing austerity, having less or just the basics or perhaps poverty as I sometimes think of it. What do you think?

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39 minutes ago, Back2Nature said:

I like your posts as they speak to frugality and making do. Very timely. I can see from some of your other posts you are quite the craftsman.

To me the TV is full of programmes showing people how to restore things, buying used stuff to sell on, looking for bargains etc. I think this subconsciously prepares the minds of the viewers for ongoing austerity, having less or just the basics or perhaps poverty as I sometimes think of it. What do you think?

 

When you say the recent make do and mend model could prepare or program the minds of the masses for furture cut backs, it could but not really effect those who have several real life skills,my own model began because of austerity in the past and what we see today, I will explain.

 

Back in the mid seventies when I began my apprentiship, was a time in recent history where anyone had the last real chance of deciding where they were going and what they wanted to do, with what would be five years of learning mystery. At the same time in the Uk the banks were de-regulated and the beginning of the planned austerity began like we had never seen before and after the world wars, which were also a form of auterity upon the people, who were asked to give all and dig for victory.

 

I witnessed first hand millions of jobs being decimated and factories closing on a weekly basis, I can remember factories turning out where hundreds left at home time as we called it, on foot and on bycycle, which ended up as a trickle, here was a drought situation to behold, this the elite will do to any country under their control, it will not end with a desert called the Uk.

 

Towns throughout the whole country who had family bussinesses, some who had been selling high quality goods for nigh on a hundred years were beginning to vanish off the map, by the mid eighties they were all but gone.

 

My make do and mend program, I call it a program, because we began a ten year experiment to see what we could make using our tried, tested and gathered real life skills, and the result was the ability to rid ourselves of debt and gain many of the things we could not possibly afford when we were both working as many hours and simply standing still, but not for long, as each skill eventually complements another and it get easier, but not easy in the sense where you can sit and do nothing.

 

Today we have no transport of our own and use public transport, if we want to go further afield which is very good, even where we live in the rurals of Yorkshire, we find it more relaxing, cheaper and don't have to worry about trying to find somewhere to park that costs the earth, or worry if we got caught speeding, we can go and shop and or get it delivered for free, even here in our small town, where there are still pockets of true community, a city is known as a sterile platform where people do not even talk to the ones next door.

 

What are people going to do when the tech truly takes over, it is not going to be easier nor cheaper that you can count on, so everything we do for ourselves like, sharing travelling costs when we do have cars by giving others a lift, as I did when I was working for a company in the next town, my car was always full, which paid for the tax and insurance.

 

The things we have made here have saved us multi thousands over the last 30 years, that was the aim, to save, not sell our labour to be taken from us, this makes the difference of surviving or starving and those who cannot do this in the furture will need alternatives right across the board.

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You know it's interesting. When I was young I remember people could do all sorts of things for themselves. I can still do things for myself but not on the scale that my father or grandfathers could do.

When I look at younger generations today they seem to be unable to do much at all. I accept there are exceptions.

I think what has happened is people were conned by the idea of specialisation, or its other name, division of labour which to my mind is really a version of divide and conquer. People can only follow their specialised roles and so are more dependent on the economic system.

Same goes for growing their own food. I remember the tidy garden with rows of different vegetables growing in my great grandmother's garden, with water from the stream at the bottom of it. I bet there aren't many of these now.

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14 hours ago, Back2Nature said:

You know it's interesting. When I was young I remember people could do all sorts of things for themselves. I can still do things for myself but not on the scale that my father or grandfathers could do.

When I look at younger generations today they seem to be unable to do much at all. I accept there are exceptions.

I think what has happened is people were conned by the idea of specialisation, or its other name, division of labour which to my mind is really a version of divide and conquer. People can only follow their specialised roles and so are more dependent on the economic system.

Same goes for growing their own food. I remember the tidy garden with rows of different vegetables growing in my great grandmother's garden, with water from the stream at the bottom of it. I bet there aren't many of these now.

 

DIY was big in the 1950s. Fellas loved making things in their sheds, repairing TVs and radios etc and growing veg in the gardens or allotments. Women loved sewing clothes, cushions, home furnishings and embroidery ( often re using existing clothes and curtains), crochet and knitting. 

 

Education is also a reason for the decline in practical skills: girls were taught in school how to sew; lads had woodworking and metal working classes; fathers taught their sons how to be handymen; mothers taught their daughters their skills. These things are no longer being taught like they used to be.

 

Also, modern things are not made to be repairable- like TVs and radios. The loss of analogue has seen to that. I have got a gramophone dating from circa 1930 and it is still repairable!!! It still works! It just needs a service: the arm with the needle needs tightening and it needs an oiling. I'm looking for someone who knows how to do it. I'll have to phone round the antique shops.

 

It's amazing but you can still get parts and the needles for them!

 

I'm a vintage fan- and the millennials may laugh at vintage but it is what could save them from a rather unpleasant future.

 

If there is limited electricity/power cuts in the future, those who have real fires, oil lamps, know how to cook, mend, grow veg, sew etc and have things like wind up gramophones and books for entertainment will not be as badly off!

 

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14 hours ago, Back2Nature said:

You know it's interesting. When I was young I remember people could do all sorts of things for themselves. I can still do things for myself but not on the scale that my father or grandfathers could do.

When I look at younger generations today they seem to be unable to do much at all. I accept there are exceptions.

I think what has happened is people were conned by the idea of specialisation, or its other name, division of labour which to my mind is really a version of divide and conquer. People can only follow their specialised roles and so are more dependent on the economic system.

Same goes for growing their own food. I remember the tidy garden with rows of different vegetables growing in my great grandmother's garden, with water from the stream at the bottom of it. I bet there aren't many of these now.

 

What I have witnessed growing up in the late fifties and sixties is humanity on the whole have being de-skilled and programmed from multiple of angles using technology and cheap labour products, like toys made in Hong Kong to begin with, which were often broken by dinner time.

 

When I was first started seeing the first electronics like Pac Man video games in the local cafes the long term or life long jobs were already beginning to be torn asunder, huge swathes of working class soon became part time and or seasonal workers, which worked well for a while as leisure time became more regualr.

 

This moved over to the never never man who would give out easy loans that most never paid off before they were offered a larger loan to payoff the old one leaving them with less afterwards, it has been a slow cook the frog model whilst trying to keep up, it is happening today with technology but now coming to its end and the young of what my father called The Forever Young have nothing else to do but stay in school until their late twenties and stay in perpetual debt and living with their parents.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, The Apprentice said:

 

What I have witnessed growing up in the late fifties and sixties is humanity on the whole have being de-skilled and programmed from multiple of angles using technology and cheap labour products, like toys made in Hong Kong to begin with, which were often broken by dinner time.

 

When I was first started seeing the first electronics like Pac Man video games in the local cafes the long term or life long jobs were already beginning to be torn asunder, huge swathes of working class soon became part time and or seasonal workers, which worked well for a while as leisure time became more regualr.

 

This moved over to the never never man who would give out easy loans that most never paid off before they were offered a larger loan to payoff the old one leaving them with less afterwards, it has been a slow cook the frog model whilst trying to keep up, it is happening today with technology but now coming to its end and the young of what my father called The Forever Young have nothing else to do but stay in school until their late twenties and stay in perpetual debt and living with their parents.

 

 

 

Yes, my mothers generation ( born in the 1940s) never bought things on HP! They saved up for things, received hand me downs/second hand stuff etc.

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23 minutes ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

Yes, my mothers generation ( born in the 1940s) never bought things on HP! They saved up for things, received hand me downs/second hand stuff etc.

 

We do the same today but also make about 30 % for ourselves from scratch, and the quality is much better and things last lots longer, best part is we do not have to exchange that 30 % for money which we all pay taxes upon, nowhere else can you do this in the slavery next day system.

 

I know I have had a bashing for this recently, but I know it works perfectly for those who retain their labour in house.

 

We are being eaten alive because we have been de-skilled and those who make what we don't any more are being enslaved by the second and cannot get even with such a system, they are always in catch up mode = Slavery but in another form, how long will it be before we are slotted into the same system, not long I don't think.

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9 hours ago, muir said:

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I noticed the top speed and endurance, not quite enough to cross the English Channel so them pesrki incomers cannot get across in one go, LOL.

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3 hours ago, The Apprentice said:

 

We do the same today but also make about 30 % for ourselves from scratch, and the quality is much better and things last lots longer, best part is we do not have to exchange that 30 % for money which we all pay taxes upon, nowhere else can you do this in the slavery next day system.

 

I know I have had a bashing for this recently, but I know it works perfectly for those who retain their labour in house.

 

We are being eaten alive because we have been de-skilled and those who make what we don't any more are being enslaved by the second and cannot get even with such a system, they are always in catch up mode = Slavery but in another form, how long will it be before we are slotted into the same system, not long I don't think.

The Apprentice, when I worked at the school around 20 years ago,  I taught high school children that they could not buy new cars with jobs at McDonalds, because they had no clue that they would also have to pay for rent and electricity.  They all had this ideology that is taught in the US that they graduate from high school, go on to college and come out making thousands and thousands of dollars, but these kids have no clue how to do basic math for a checkbook. My second son, who graduated from Ball State University with chemistry and pre-med major makes less than entry level jobs because he is contract labor.  I know many university grads who make less than he does, and sadly, many couldn't tie their shoes without a youtube video showing them how. 

 

Now they are doing away with all cooking, sewing, house building and child rearing classes starting next year at the high school level.  Basically, it is going to be English, Math and Science with the other classes thrown in here and there.  I agree, totally deskilled, and this next generation is going to be 10x worse than the last.  

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8 hours ago, The Apprentice said:

I noticed the top speed and endurance, not quite enough to cross the English Channel so them pesrki incomers cannot get across in one go, LOL.

 

well unless george soros can get a bunch cheaper on a bulk buy then no!

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