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David Icke said something along the lines of that the right wing and the left wing is an illusion, a sort of form of divide and rule. Looking at it i do agree with this. Going back to the 2000's especially the late, i cant remember if the 'truth movement' was right or left i think its was more left. 

 

I was always a lefty as a kid, as i have grown older I have become more of a conservative philisophically not particularly politically. The way i see it when i was growing up the right seemed to have authority at least in america. 'Artists' such as marilyn manson were being shut down and hounded by the republican authordox christians. More and more this extreme form of left politics and PC culture seems to be forced down our throats especially where i live in the uk. The media seem to do this. Do they actually want to get 'populist' leaders elected by being obnoxious? Is this the agenda? 

 

Brexit happened for better or worse the working class spoke. After a lot of us 'Brexiteers' were called racist and you name it. Why has the left abandoned free speech, and why are the right seemingly fighting more for this value than the left? If Orwell was alive today would he be a far right winger? Winston Churchill might have been but people need to remwmber the context of the days in which he was around and the language of the day. 

 

I listen to speakers such as douglas murray and roger scruton and i cant help but agree with them on almost most issues. It is nice to hear someone speak without patronising the listeners or just having discussions in a well mannered approach. Figures like Jordan Peterson teaching young men specifically how to assert themselves in a world full of predators. 

 

The more I read the more i feel that we as humans need order in order to function as healthy individuals in this world. Part of me loves the idea of the 60s culture, spirituality, pushing boundries, experiementing with art and indeed to my embarrasment even experiementing in the occult. And yes i did manage to get laid 😂

 

Sorry for my disorganised post ramblings i guess i have a lot to learn and a lot more to read. I do think the right has become the new counterculture to a certain degres. But we could get philisophical on what culture is. Terrence mckenna springs to mind. 

 

Tommy Robinson is another one. While i am not a 'avid supporter' i do feel uneasy with the way the establishment have treated him. And believe me if i thought he was just a nasty racist thug i wouldnt like him at all. Maybe i am deceived massively on the Tommy Robinson thing and if this was 2008 i wouldnt even give the guy the time of day. And even now i mean its depressing stuff. Its not exactly happy stuff he is talking about. 

 

I am confused about where this society is headed, anxious almost. 

 

When i say occult i dont mean crowleyism or masonry i was reading the chaos magick litrature from the 80s and 90s and dabbling in that. Now i wish i would have occupied my time with more grownup persuits. 😐

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fair enough, but there's also stuff going on in music, especially digitally based sounds (usually mid range) that attack the right hand side of your body. Considering that whats happening is quite advanced there have most likely been other attempts to affect people via music or sounds, for better or worse 


This causes polarisation in people, but not naturally and the other side will find a way to be expressed. that's why the extreme left and right is so rabid in my opinion, instead of expressing the purer qualities of each and complimenting each other

before saying am left or right this should be considered. 

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I've never really bought into the idea of 'left-wing' and 'right-wing' politics, but then I didn't really take a keen interest in politics up until a few years ago.

 

I do know for a fact that I have always had loathing and mistrust of both the Labour and Conservative parties here in the UK.

 

Before I continue, if anyone hasn't already, I ask you to take the 'Political Compass' test.

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

 

Answer a series of questions truthfully and honestly, and it will reveal where you sit on the 'political compass'. It doesn't just measure 'left or right', but also where you sit on 'authoritarian and liberterian' scale.

 

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I was quite surprised to find myself as a 'left libertarian'.

 

Considering I supported and then became a member of UKIP - a supposed 'right-wing' party - it made me realise just how skewed the 'modern' political spectrum has become, with anyone right of Stalin on the spectrum being branded as being 'far-right'.

 

So I'm a left-leaning libertarian who also has some right-wing ideals.

 

But this is the thing - labelling oneself as 'left' or 'right' is another 'divide-and-rule' trick, another form of 'identity politics'.

 

At UKIP's conference in 2018, then-leader Gerard Batten as part of his keynote speech spoke of policies that were neither 'left-wing' nor 'right-wing' but just simply 'fair' and 'common-sense'. Not 'right-wing', just 'right'.

 

As a 'liberal' I'm fine with minority groups being allowed to do what they do and I have no problem with that. But I do also have a great deal of respect for the more 'traditional' majority, and they should not have to change what it is they do, just to pander to the interests of these minority groups.

 

I am in favour of the NHS though I feel it needs scaling back to focus on 'core' health services, and I am in favour of building more social housing. But I am also in favour of curbing 'mass immigration' and deporting foreign criminals.

 

So no, I still don't see myself firmly bracketing myself as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing'.

 

 

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I use phrases like 'right wing' and break it down to why is the word 'wing' used and a wing of what?

 

thinking about the word 'wing' and the what is vital to delving into the attraction of certain politics

 

i think about what triggers me with a word like 'wing'

 

is the sound of the word or the denotation

 

did the word emerge from politics or did politics emerge from the concept

 

i could get lost for hours thinking about it with herb

 

defining myself with such a fragile phrase seems to me ..... weak

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I am also left libertarian but off course it depends on what questions are asked in the first place as to how accurate these thing are, and at the end of the day its yet another limiting label to define yourself by....but fun nonetheless

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47 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I've never really bought into the idea of 'left-wing' and 'right-wing' politics, but then I didn't really take a keen interest in politics up until a few years ago.

 

I do know for a fact that I have always had loathing and mistrust of both the Labour and Conservative parties here in the UK.

 

Before I continue, if anyone hasn't already, I ask you to take the 'Political Compass' test.

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

 

Answer a series of questions truthfully and honestly, and it will reveal where you sit on the 'political compass'. It doesn't just measure 'left or right', but also where you sit on 'authoritarian and liberterian' scale.

 

bothaxes.gif

 

I was quite surprised to find myself as a 'left libertarian'.

 

Considering I supported and then became a member of UKIP - a supposed 'right-wing' party - it made me realise just how skewed the 'modern' political spectrum has become, with anyone right of Stalin on the spectrum being branded as being 'far-right'.

 

So I'm a left-leaning libertarian who also has some right-wing ideals.

 

But this is the thing - labelling oneself as 'left' or 'right' is another 'divide-and-rule' trick, another form of 'identity politics'.

 

At UKIP's conference in 2018, then-leader Gerard Batten as part of his keynote speech spoke of policies that were neither 'left-wing' nor 'right-wing' but just simply 'fair' and 'common-sense'. Not 'right-wing', just 'right'.

 

As a 'liberal' I'm fine with minority groups being allowed to do what they do and I have no problem with that. But I do also have a great deal of respect for the more 'traditional' majority, and they should not have to change what it is they do, just to pander to the interests of these minority groups.

 

I am in favour of the NHS though I feel it needs scaling back to focus on 'core' health services, and I am in favour of building more social housing. But I am also in favour of curbing 'mass immigration' and deporting foreign criminals.

 

So no, I still don't see myself firmly bracketing myself as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing'.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I've never really bought into the idea of 'left-wing' and 'right-wing' politics, but then I didn't really take a keen interest in politics up until a few years ago.

 

I do know for a fact that I have always had loathing and mistrust of both the Labour and Conservative parties here in the UK.

 

Before I continue, if anyone hasn't already, I ask you to take the 'Political Compass' test.

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

 

Answer a series of questions truthfully and honestly, and it will reveal where you sit on the 'political compass'. It doesn't just measure 'left or right', but also where you sit on 'authoritarian and liberterian' scale.

 

bothaxes.gif

 

I was quite surprised to find myself as a 'left libertarian'.

 

Considering I supported and then became a member of UKIP - a supposed 'right-wing' party - it made me realise just how skewed the 'modern' political spectrum has become, with anyone right of Stalin on the spectrum being branded as being 'far-right'.

 

So I'm a left-leaning libertarian who also has some right-wing ideals.

 

But this is the thing - labelling oneself as 'left' or 'right' is another 'divide-and-rule' trick, another form of 'identity politics'.

 

At UKIP's conference in 2018, then-leader Gerard Batten as part of his keynote speech spoke of policies that were neither 'left-wing' nor 'right-wing' but just simply 'fair' and 'common-sense'. Not 'right-wing', just 'right'.

 

As a 'liberal' I'm fine with minority groups being allowed to do what they do and I have no problem with that. But I do also have a great deal of respect for the more 'traditional' majority, and they should not have to change what it is they do, just to pander to the interests of these minority groups.

 

I am in favour of the NHS though I feel it needs scaling back to focus on 'core' health services, and I am in favour of building more social housing. But I am also in favour of curbing 'mass immigration' and deporting foreign criminals.

 

So no, I still don't see myself firmly bracketing myself as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing'.

 

 

 

Thanks for the link to the test - I took it and also came out as "left libertarian" which wasn't a surprise.

 

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I don't have much interest in politics though as it is all just pantomime as far as I'm concerned - as DI says, "the government always gets in". It's an illusion of choice. So I agree with you that the labels "left wing" and "right wing" are another way to divide us - to get us arguing amongst ourselves over surface issues and distracted from what is really going on behind all the smoke and mirrors. I think it's also a con into making people think that they are either one side of the spectrum or the other and that they can't have a mixture of views from different "wings" depending on what they feel is right and what makes sense.

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In my opinion ,, the whole Political left right stuff is just a huge scam. The pendulum swings to the left or right in a predictable pattern. To present the Illusion ,, of Democracy !! haa!

 

And the rich get richer and the slaves get poorer ,, and those in real control get even more powerful ,, (as usual ,, nothing new there) ,,

 

And most sheepies can't even think outside of the Left Right Imposed Box!

 

Image result for funny left wing right wing

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1 hour ago, Grumpy Owl said:

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So I'm a left-leaning libertarian who also has some right-wing ideals.

 

But this is the thing - labelling oneself as 'left' or 'right' is another 'divide-and-rule' trick, another form of 'identity politics'.

 

At UKIP's conference in 2018, then-leader Gerard Batten as part of his keynote speech spoke of policies that were neither 'left-wing' nor 'right-wing' but just simply 'fair' and 'common-sense'. Not 'right-wing', just 'right'.

 

As a 'liberal' I'm fine with minority groups being allowed to do what they do and I have no problem with that. But I do also have a great deal of respect for the more 'traditional' majority, and they should not have to change what it is they do, just to pander to the interests of these minority groups.

 

I am in favour of the NHS though I feel it needs scaling back to focus on 'core' health services, and I am in favour of building more social housing. But I am also in favour of curbing 'mass immigration' and deporting foreign criminals.

 

So no, I still don't see myself firmly bracketing myself as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing'.

 

 

Very much my political leanings too. Left libertarian with some views to the right. however just because i don't support open borders or the transgender agenda society has been indoctrinated to see us as a far right fascists

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10 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I've never really bought into the idea of 'left-wing' and 'right-wing' politics, but then I didn't really take a keen interest in politics up until a few years ago.

 

I do know for a fact that I have always had loathing and mistrust of both the Labour and Conservative parties here in the UK.

 

Before I continue, if anyone hasn't already, I ask you to take the 'Political Compass' test.

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

 

Answer a series of questions truthfully and honestly, and it will reveal where you sit on the 'political compass'. It doesn't just measure 'left or right', but also where you sit on 'authoritarian and liberterian' scale.

 

bothaxes.gif

 

I was quite surprised to find myself as a 'left libertarian'.

 

Considering I supported and then became a member of UKIP - a supposed 'right-wing' party - it made me realise just how skewed the 'modern' political spectrum has become, with anyone right of Stalin on the spectrum being branded as being 'far-right'.

 

So I'm a left-leaning libertarian who also has some right-wing ideals.

 

But this is the thing - labelling oneself as 'left' or 'right' is another 'divide-and-rule' trick, another form of 'identity politics'.

 

At UKIP's conference in 2018, then-leader Gerard Batten as part of his keynote speech spoke of policies that were neither 'left-wing' nor 'right-wing' but just simply 'fair' and 'common-sense'. Not 'right-wing', just 'right'.

 

As a 'liberal' I'm fine with minority groups being allowed to do what they do and I have no problem with that. But I do also have a great deal of respect for the more 'traditional' majority, and they should not have to change what it is they do, just to pander to the interests of these minority groups.

 

I am in favour of the NHS though I feel it needs scaling back to focus on 'core' health services, and I am in favour of building more social housing. But I am also in favour of curbing 'mass immigration' and deporting foreign criminals.

 

So no, I still don't see myself firmly bracketing myself as 'left-wing' or 'right-wing'.

 

 

 

I got:

Your Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

 

Rather complicated, can't figure it out really lol. Your comments above only go to show how complicated political labelling is. I suspect few of us are really just one thing or another as there are so many facets to life and things are not always so either or/ this or that and dependent on situations, views and experiences that keep changing.

 

I do not vote. I don't like any of of the 3 political parties ( Labour, Conservative, Liberals) for different reasons for each of them. I consider myself "neutral."

 

 

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9 hours ago, jupiter12 said:

In my opinion ,, the whole Political left right stuff is just a huge scam. The pendulum swings to the left or right in a predictable pattern. To present the Illusion ,, of Democracy !! haa!

 

And the rich get richer and the slaves get poorer ,, and those in real control get even more powerful ,, (as usual ,, nothing new there) ,,

 

And most sheepies can't even think outside of the Left Right Imposed Box!

 

Image result for funny left wing right wing

 

Exactly the way I see it. I roll my eyes if I see or hear people spouting that the party they support/will vote for will "sort things out" or "improve the lot of the people." 

If they are directly talking to me I might do a wry smile and say I think I saw a flying pink pig.

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Your Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -1.88 
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26

 

 

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i didn't do the political compass test but it wouldn't surprise me if i came out as left-libertarian too. right now i mostly see myself as a libertarian socialist. the EZLN (Zapatista) way of life is very inspiring. i've been through all the left-wing beliefs in my life.... marxism included.  i admire the 'alt-right' take on world issues these days whereas now the left actually believe a lot of what the media and status-quo apparatus throws at them, that didn't use to be the case.

 

i think i'll create an alternative thread of why i lean on the left instead of cluttering up a right-wing one with my pinko infiltration 😄

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Personally I think people that lean to the left or right are lopsided and have fallen for the scam

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I basically don't trust either government or corporations and i see the authoritarian-left and the authoritarian-right empowering both of those at the expense of the little guy and gal on the street

 

what we call the 'elites' are the people behind the big corporations and they use their lobby power and other means to capture government and then use it as their enforcer against the people

 

do i think government can be used against the corporations and for the people? No because the elites are more organised and their agenda is more cohesive as is their sense of purpose and direction and therefore they will always more effectively co-opt and subvert any form of centralised power structure

 

If government didn't exist, the elites would have to invent it

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Yes, Left or right farmyard polytricks are constantly feeding the other, working towards the same goal.

 

Fascism, socialism, both control freak statist agenda.

 

Tavistock LGBT, Greta xtinction, BBC, constant extremist antifa-fascist identity crap shoved down your throat, knife epidemic..perfect shitstorm.

Is surely designed to piss off any half sane person & send them to the right. Look at Boris Brexit with Labour voters.

Terry May blatant Marxist drag queen.

Corbyn perceived as extreme, turned out to be a total owned pussy.

 

The wolf in sheeps clothing, London school of economics Fabians.

George Soros the right believe is a leftist & not just an agent of chaos.

Communism set up by Wall Street.

Hitler military intelligence.

Mussolini was also a socialist.

Order out of chaos.

 

 

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