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Just now, screamingeagle said:

no....which doesn't mean you shouldn't talk to Gareth

 

you raise the question so you decide

 

look the acc(it is from 2019) and read the posts(4 if i'm corect)

 

"does DI approves buying second hand books?

 

come on ink it is troling.....i have no respect for that kind of behaviour,not after the attack 

 

 

 

I did look at the account .... trolling it may be .... BUT we can't know this and the 4 short posts create no harm.

Actually they made interaction and thus created more good than bad.

 

For those with limited funds .... secondhand books are good news.

 

1 minute ago, screamingeagle said:

i don't belive that....in fact i know

 

If you know that mate .... then 'prove' it .... else it is just your guess!

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4 minutes ago, ink said:

you know that mate .... then 'prove' it .... else it is just your guess!

ask him would he wanted me to be removed from moding 

 

I'll wait your reply/action from Gareth

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No .... You are wanted as a moderator.

But you have changed and and now you ban very quickly without warnings.

Not everyone is an old banned member.

 

Stressful times.

 

We need to move forwards and not live with harm of the past. Learn from it but not be consumed by it.

 

I have revoked some of the bans.

I do this not to confront you .... I do it as I consider that you wouldn't normally have done these actions.

These are difficult times my friend .... we all upon this forum need to work together .... not diminish each other.

 

We need 'light' not more 'darkness' .... mate

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28 minutes ago, screamingeagle said:

i don't belive that....in fact i know 😎

That's absolutely mad. I'm sorry but you are wrong. 

 

I joined crowhouse and posted once and didn't like it. Who on earth do you think I was? Pm me if you like and we can chat.

 

Something is clearly not right here.  

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30 minutes ago, ink said:

 

I did look at the account .... trolling it 

 

 

If you know that mate .... then 'prove' it .... else it is just your guess!

It's completely wrong too. Which I think everyone can see from my very first posts from day one.  Also. Yes. Please prove it @screamingeagle. It's been a tough few weeks and I really do wish you good things but not everyone is a troll. 

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17 minutes ago, ink said:

have revoked some of the bans

can i expect you will clean up their mess, or you will say i not happy posting here....

 

i really don't have anithing more to say 

6 minutes ago, kj35 said:

That's absolutely mad. I'm sorry but you are wrong. 

 

I joined crowhouse and posted once and didn't like it. Who on earth do you think I was? Pm me if you like and we can chat.

 

Something is clearly not right here.  

ok....

i'm sorry i accused you(if that means anything)

 

i'm not interested in chating 

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Just now, kj35 said:

It's completely wrong too. Which I think everyone can see from my very first posts from day one.  Also. Yes. Please prove it @screamingeagle. It's been a tough few weeks and I really do wish you good things but not everyone is a troll. 

 

Please kj .... it is not necessary .... mod this forum is not easy and Screaming has done it , on their own, for sometime.

Right now we are all going through a great deal of shit and it is all stressful.

 

We can all move on .... please.

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2 minutes ago, screamingeagle said:

can i expect you will clean up their mess, or you will say i not happy posting here....

 

i really don't have anithing more to say 

ok....

i'm sorry i accused you(if that means anything)

 

i'm not interested in chating 

Ok. Thank you x I appreciate that x and we all know how difficult it's been recently x sending you much love. Genuinely. 

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1 minute ago, ink said:

 

Please kj .... it is not necessary .... mod this forum is not easy and Screaming has done it , on their own, for sometime.

Right now we are all going through a great deal of shit and it is all stressful.

 

We can all move on .... please.

Yes I realise that. Sorry. My above response crossed with yours.

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2 minutes ago, screamingeagle said:

can i expect you will clean up their mess, or you will say i not happy posting here....

 

I will 'clean up' any problems .... and they have been told that from me.

 

There are very good reasons why I am not happy currently .... but I believe in the work done by David and consider that it needs to be shown to as many as possible .... but I also believe in the research and time given by the members on this (and other) forums .... I learn from that time given and thank them for it.

It needs to be 'kept safe'!

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57 minutes ago, kj35 said:

It's completely wrong too. Which I think everyone can see from my very first posts from day one.  Also. Yes. Please prove it @screamingeagle. It's been a tough few weeks and I really do wish you good things but not everyone is a troll. 

ah the book question...newbie..

I didn't joint the conversation but I thought it was a troll.

The first question was OK but he went on to press on....nah.

 

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Speaking of forum, am I the only one who can only access the general forum and is banned from creating threads?

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16 hours ago, kj35 said:

According to truthzone (I lurk as a guest) both tooth and fluke are now banned? Along with bflat and avoiceinthecrowd (not too worried about that last one but maybe it could have been curtailed idk) I'm on 2 warning points that will never expire for swearing  and probably banned after writing this (although I hope not I love it here).

 

NEW FORUM DESIRES  free speech that doesn't include banning for swearing,opposing points of view or simply not agreeing.  Perhaps naughty steps...time out... whatever -  banning from posting on particular threads if they keep derailing it. But banning ? For Life??? Unless an obvious troll Or shill....how can this be a free speech forum ?

 

I don't pretend to understand all that goes on behind the scenes

 

Also FLAT EARTH. Don't believe it...it's a waste of time imo like fake moon landings I don't care if the earth is actually a sour cream Pringle or if the South Park guys filmed the moon landings..it's irrelevant to what we have right here right now. But it doesn't mean it's not important to opening others eyes to how deceptions work.

 

I completely agree kj35. There have been a lot of bans lately and, it would seem that many of those being banned have only been ousted due to their views rather than conduct.

  • Bamboozooka was banned because s/he follows Q - something which never attracted a ban before the forum hack.
  • GR is now on permanent moderation after several thousand posts. No such sanction was required before.
  • Tooth (Mr A) and Fluke both banned over a misunderstanding about sarcasm. Surely they could have been encouraged to sort their differences out via PM or issued a warning?
  • Bflat and Avoiceinthecrowd for their beliefs in flat earth.
  • Mr A banned - for what reason, I don't know.

 

At this rate, there won't be many members left by the time the new forum is ready. At a time when some members have walked away in the aftermath of the hack. Surely we should be encouraging engagement and trying to restore levels of membership?

 

I understand that there are concerns that DI doesn't endorse some of the topics being discussed such as Q (I'm not even sure DI has a problem with flat earth). But he has always said that he should be open to challenge and criticism too which is right if he is a true proponent of free speech. DI doesn't expect people to agree with everything he says so surely this forum should reflect an array of different views communicated respectfully towards one another?

 

As for swearing, as long as it isn't directed at another member as abuse, I think it should be allowed. Name calling isn't good though.

 

In terms of desires for the new forum, I think there needs to be at least 3 moderators to act as a counter balance to each other. One is not enough and leaves members vulnerable to the bias of that one individual with no check on their power, particularly with no active admin. Also it creates time pressure on the one person responsible for moderation which may be why stronger sanctions are imposed from the outset - to save time and hassle.

 

I want to see an engaged and active forum membership again with this place being somewhere to freely discuss some of the more "out there" topics with all sides of the debate, if respectfully presented, being allowed to prevent the forum from becoming an echo chamber. I don't think, being a fringe community, that there is any danger of the forum becoming overrun with mainstream views.

 

We were getting there, and quite a community spirit was building, but there has been a considerable decline since the hack. Let's not let the hackers win.

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16 hours ago, kj35 said:

According to truthzone (I lurk as a guest) both tooth and fluke are now banned? Along with bflat and avoiceinthecrowd (not too worried about that last one but maybe it could have been curtailed idk) I'm on 2 warning points that will never expire for swearing  and probably banned after writing this (although I hope not I love it here).

 

NEW FORUM DESIRES  free speech that doesn't include banning for swearing,opposing points of view or simply not agreeing.  Perhaps naughty steps...time out... whatever -  banning from posting on particular threads if they keep derailing it. But banning ? For Life??? Unless an obvious troll Or shill....how can this be a free speech forum ?

 

I don't pretend to understand all that goes on behind the scenes

 

Also FLAT EARTH. Don't believe it...it's a waste of time imo like fake moon landings I don't care if the earth is actually a sour cream Pringle or if the South Park guys filmed the moon landings..it's irrelevant to what we have right here right now. But it doesn't mean it's not important to opening others eyes to how deceptions work.

 

 

Hang on a minute here. 

You speak about free speech but then have a list of topics

that shouldn't be spoken about ?. How does that work?

If someone wants to talk about FE then DIF is exactly the right

place to discuss it.

Other posters can either join in \agree\disagree or abstain . And to be free

to do any of the above and be free from censorship. 

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On 6/29/2020 at 12:24 AM, Jack said:

has anyone thought of a safe space?

In your opinion what is a "safe space" ?

What would the point and purpose be ?

Genuinely interested .

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41 minutes ago, hokuspokus said:

Hang on a minute here. 

You speak about free speech but then have a list of topics

that shouldn't be spoken about ?. How does that work?

If someone wants to talk about FE then DIF is exactly the right

place to discuss it.

Other posters can either join in \agree\disagree or abstain . And to be free

to do any of the above and be free from censorship. 

You've misunderstood entirely what i was saying.apologies if I was not clear enough.I don't intend to debate or clarify my intent any further however.  The subject is settled as far as I can tell.

 

Bear in mind I wrote that with a heavy heart believing I'd be banned as well. 

 

I believe things are being sorted now and screaming, ink and others are here  to sort it.

 

I don't even begin to understand the pressures on one set of shoulders of moderating an important forum such as this. It's not a fair ask.

 

I'm massively happy that people with opposing views are back. That should say enough.

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34 minutes ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:
  • Bamboozooka was banned because s/he follows Q - something which never attracted a ban before the forum hack.
  • GR is now on permanent moderation after several thousand posts. No such sanction was required before.
  • Tooth (Mr A) and Fluke both banned over a misunderstanding about sarcasm. Surely they could have been encouraged to sort their differences out via PM or issued a warning?
  • Bflat and Avoiceinthecrowd for their beliefs in flat earth.
  • Mr A banned - for what reason, I don't know.

Bamboozka was constantly mocking,provoking and insulting most members who questioned trump

 

GR is derailing any subject with "it's the jews"

 

MrA was derailing threads with personal attacks 

(tell me what i should do with a member who ignores warrnings aand directly is insulting a member like "fuck you")

 

Bflat and Avoiceinthecrowd troling and insulting

1 hour ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

with all sides of the debate, if respectfully presented, being allowed to prevent the forum

that is my point,these members have no respect,hiding behind freedom of speach while they practise the opposite

 

that is how you derail thread into oblivion....

 

there are far more very malevolent posters here that you think (ego trip driven individuals or 77 brigade style pro trolls it doesn't matter to me )

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5 hours ago, screamingeagle said:

Bamboozka was constantly mocking,provoking and insulting most members who questioned trump

 

5 hours ago, screamingeagle said:

these members have no respect,hiding behind freedom of speach while they practise the opposite

 

That's not what I saw and read!

 

Lets take Bamboozooka .... They considered the Q thing as correct and that is up to them, it is a fair subject for this forum.

Many times you would ‘like’ posts which slagged off Q (and Bamboozooka) but then you would delete Bamboozooka's posts and sanction them for posting replies to the posts you had just liked!

Remember we spoke about your actions against Bamboozooka and how you were being very one sided.

And what did you do the day after I stepped down from being a mod?

You banned them for good.

 

Lets take the last member who you put on 30 days moderation of content (28th June) .... alexa (who seems to believe in flat earth which you do not)

You sanctioned them for taking a thread off topic when they didn't start the off topic discussion.

The member who did start it, with a 'dig' against alexa about flat earth, you left alone.

That's personal bias moderating mate and that is the reason for bflat and voice being banned.

 

Talking of bflat …. I found it very telling when you replied to a post made by bflat, in part, with ….

you should know that TG

 

Not everyone is truegroup but once you think that …. a ban happens quite quickly.

 

You also have taken to putting members on moderation of content and within hours (or even within minutes) issuing another warning which bans them! That just makes no sense.

 

Take MrA …. you content moderated at 07:15 and banned at 07:17

 

Have you been Pm’ing the members before warnings to discuss the problems as they relate to the forum rules and guidelines?

 

Do I need to go through all of the 36 warnings you have given to members since the hack and you became the only mod!

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7 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

I want to see an engaged and active forum membership again with this place being somewhere to freely discuss some of the more "out there" topics with all sides of the debate, if respectfully presented, being allowed to prevent the forum from becoming an echo chamber. I don't think, being a fringe community, that there is any danger of the forum becoming overrun with mainstream views.

 

I agree with this (and the rest of your post) I can't believe people like Hugo and Peak Gammon were banned it seems just because they argued mainstream views. We need knowledgable people to bounce idea's off and see if they stand up to scrutiny. Otherwise this place will just become an echo chamber where far out theories are bounced around and never challenged.

 

That could make this place the laughing stock of the internet and not a place to take things seriously. Contrasting here with the old forum and this place has got a lot of ground to make up before this place is on par with the old forum.

 

Banning members left right and centre is not the way to do it. Warnings in the plentiful should be made before banning. I remember Gareth had a 'sin bin - time out' against his name before, why can't that be used on members before banning.

 

I didn't much care for Mr A, he resorted to name calling and insults to often but he did bring info to the table to be discussed and that is what this forum is about - discussing theories.

 

Less banning! More discussion and tolerance of others views.

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Be nice if it worked a bit better. I've tried starting a new topic (below) but I get blocked.

 

Could this be made sticky please?

 

I propose a place for sharing books etc., that would be suitable for the more tender members of our families, friends, neighbours etc. I have found with David's books along with things like Behold a Pale Horse that they're just too spicey for most people who've never been chasing rabbits. The links given are just the first place I found them, nothing else. One book however is only available from my website until I get it up to Archive.org.

 

My first offerings are first: Bechamp or Pasteur  http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/history/biographies/Bechamp-or-Pasteur.pdf

 

This exposes Pasteur for the fraud he was. It also explains the real science going on at the time. Germ theory is piss easy to understand the truth more complicated. The book also gives you enough basic information to break your own conditioning re viruses, germs and vaccination.

 

Second:  The Invisible Rainbow: A History of Electricity and Life   https://www.5gexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/English-Summary-of-The-Invisible-Rainbow-A-History-of-Electricity-and-Life-3.pdf

 

This summarises a french book analysing a correlation between pandemics and increasing electrification and emfs.

 

Third: Vaccination A curse https://archive.org/details/vaccinationcurse00peeb

 

A rather shocking history of vaccination in the late 18 early 1900's IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME AS TODAY!!!

 

Finally: A Seed That Fell on Good Ground http://www.bristolgroup.org.uk/app/download/10644315/A+SEED+THAT+FELL+ON+GOOD+GROUND.pdf

 

A privately published book, freely available. I managed to get three printed copies and the PDF, hence it is on my website. It is a well written complete primer for the New World Order and it is the only book I have got newbies to read. It came to me in odd circumstances which I wont go into.

 

I have already emailed it to dozens of newbs, many who don't know me personally and so far one has thanked me already!

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1 hour ago, ink said:

 

Lets take the last member who you put on 30 days moderation of content (28th June) .... alexa (who seems to believe in flat earth which you do not)

You sanctioned them for taking a thread off topic when they didn't start the off topic discussion.

The member who did start it, with a 'dig' against alexa about flat earth, you left alone.

 

 I saw that too.

 

Alexa did not take the thread off topic.

 

Another member started talking about flat earth, not Alexa.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Could this be made sticky please?

 

If the 'music' thread can be a 'sticky' .... then one to share books (information) should definitely be.

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Re moderating, sometimes it's a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don't. It seems like an easier task than it really is, and whatever stance you take will be open to criticism by some. I've moderated on here and another forum in the past, and I would not do it again. 

 

What I do know is there are now forums, such as Truth Zone, that are infested by trollheaded feckwits, and I've seen tons of the members there knacker other forums with their ways previously. I see the people who go there also to badmouth folk on here. How feeble is that! 

 

One good thing here now is that people are at liberty to openly discuss moderation, which seems healthy. In the distant past, just questioning a moderating decision would result in an automatic ban.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

One good thing here now is that people are at liberty to openly discuss moderation, which seems healthy. In the distant past, just questioning a moderating decision would result in an automatic ban.

 

In the 'rules' it still states that .... but a forum is actually the creation of those who research and post.

Without them .... there is only empty software!

 

So the consideration is that moderation is not just to protect the forum (from laws) but to allow discussion (without personal abuse) and that the membership should know what is happening.

Well that is my view anyway.

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https://twitter.com/garethicke/status/1277732347820027913

 

Gareth Ickes personal twitter page 

 

This tweet beginds with two words

 

Fuck. Off

 

His own personal twitter page is full of swearing , and as far as I know he is the only one who posts those tweets.

 

English is a passionate language.

 

English people swear alot in real life 

 

I guess nobody has ever watched Gordon Ramsey 

 

Its part of life 

 

 

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