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Is Hamas controlled opposition against the Zionists power in the middle east?

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I’ve heard people say that the entire group is controlled by Israel’s secret intelligence agencies, and that the only reason they keep using rockets against Israel is because Israel needs an excuse to fire theirs on Palestine to speed up their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. Is this true, in that the Jews would throw their own under the bus like this (IDF soldiers included)? I know the Zionists do this all the time in America, but would they do that in Israel too? Although it is true that Hamas has killed very little compared to Israel, however I’m conflicted between Hamas defending itself against Israel and Hamas just being an extension of Israel’s security services.

 

And as for how they would have actual Palestinians doing the fighting instead of Jews, as we saw with the Nick Berg false flag, and why these Palestinians would be so dedicated in smuggling the materials needed for their crude rockets and zip guns, and then firing them upon Israel, knowing well what Israel is going to do just to invoke an Israeli response for the sake of murdering their own. I don’t know if that sounds even remotely believable. 

 

And I don’t think it would be veryeasy to infiltrate and subvert a terrorist group like Hamas. They had to create an entirely different chapter of the IRA (the provisional IRA) just to subvert the original IRA as a way of associating them with Marxist infiltration. For a group like Hamas to work, it would have had to be controlled from the very beginning, which is unlikely given the fact that it started not as a “terrorist group” but as an armed forces. While Islamic Jihad were it’s goals from the very beginning, but that’s because it’s a Sunni Muslim nation. I’m also failing to see any trademarks of a false front terror group like ISIS or Al-Qaeda, because from as far as I know, there have never been any Hamas beheading videos, medieval stonings (unless you want to count throwing rocks at Israeli tanks), or executions of Alawites/Shiites and Christians, as Palestine is a religiously diverse country in the same way Syria and Lebanon are, which is actually why they’re pretty similar to Hezbollah in that they respect their brothers regardless of faith and only attack their real enemies, militarily. Frankly, they’re missing all the trademarks of a false front organization, like ISIS. They’re also allies with Hezbollah, Syria and Iran, three other governments that are free from Zionist control, whereas ISIS has attacked all three. 

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Yes, Hamas is Controlled Opposition

 

How could Israel do it to it's own?

 

The Orders come from the SS Govt.

They are really outside the National Government

I think there is a Central Control Unit which issues orders

If the job can be done remotely ie by drone or cruise missile or space weapons it probably will be

If not it's probably done by the Special Forces of a foreign country.

The order won't come from within Israel and probably won't be carried out by Israelis.

It depends, it's a murky area.

 

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6 minutes ago, jesuitsdidit said:

Yes, Hamas is Controlled Opposition

 

How could Israel do it to it's own?

 

The Orders come from the SS Govt.

They are really outside the National Government

I think there is a Central Control Unit which issues orders

If the job can be done remotely ie by drone or cruise missile or space weapons it probably will be

If not it's probably done by the Special Forces of a foreign country.

The order won't come from within Israel and probably won't be carried out by Israelis.

It depends, it's a murky area.

 

 

It's a bit like how they control the Media

I think there is a central unit controlling all that goes out

I call it the SS PO - Secret Satanic Press Office

 

It's much more complicated than most people realise.

You'd probably enjoy reading Vatican Assassins by Eric Phelps.

 

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I think its another one of those complicated questions and topics that people all to often want simple answers and soundbites.

 

The whole "Hamas is controlled by Israel"  came from Lyndon LaRouche and his executive intelligence review.

 

although LaRouche is a very strange character with some shady associations, his group have done a lot of good research, so it is a source I would not dismiss. However they seem to be claiming that Israel created Hamas in the beginning.

 

I would agree with this because at the time the vast majority of Palestinian resistance to Zionism was driven by mainly communist and socialist groups like PFLP and Fatah. PFLP was even lead by Palestinian Christians socialists who were supported by the USSR.

 

So what Israel wanted to do was to create a seperate group to cause friction amongst anti-zionist resistance and they wanted it based not around secular socialism but radical Islam.

 

Hamas comes from the Islamic Brotherhood and initially these groups fought against the secular socialist groups like the PFLP, Fatah/PLO, so a wedge was driven between resistance groups and it even came to a point where there was open warfare between PLO and Hamas.

 

However even though Israel helped create Hamas, I dont believe they ever fully controlled it. They probably had spies within the ranks, but I think eventually Hamas grew beyond Israeli control, and they likely killed off many of the Israeli spies.

 

If you look at Hamas' military leadership, they were pretty much all assasinated by the Israelis during the second entifada from 2000-2005.  They assasinated one of the leaders by shooting a hellfire missile from a hellicopter into the old man in his wheelchair.

 

Sorry but that doesn't sound like controlled oppostion to me.  Plenty of even the new leadership has been killed or are hiding.

 

The Mossad attempted to kill Hamas political leader in Jordan.

 

The battle today between Hamas and Israel is very real IMO. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are backed by Iran and Qatar. Their military capabilities have quite improved and they killed quite a few more Israeli soldiers than were expected the last time Israel invaded Gaza.

 

As for the "Hamas shoots rockets so that Israel can retaliate" meme.

 

I think that is bogus. If you look at the news reports Hamas usually denies responsiblity for many of the things Israel accuses them of. While they are also open about the things they do carry out.  I think Israel just carries out false flags and attacks and blames Hamas anyways, but Hamas usually denies responsibility.

 

 

  Dont listen to those "conspiratainment" people who think EVERYTHING is fake.

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17 hours ago, Vancity Eagle said:

I think its another one of those complicated questions and topics that people all to often want simple answers and soundbites.

 

The whole "Hamas is controlled by Israel"  came from Lyndon LaRouche and his executive intelligence review.

 

although LaRouche is a very strange character with some shady associations, his group have done a lot of good research, so it is a source I would not dismiss. However they seem to be claiming that Israel created Hamas in the beginning.

 

I would agree with this because at the time the vast majority of Palestinian resistance to Zionism was driven by mainly communist and socialist groups like PFLP and Fatah. PFLP was even lead by Palestinian Christians socialists who were supported by the USSR.

 

So what Israel wanted to do was to create a seperate group to cause friction amongst anti-zionist resistance and they wanted it based not around secular socialism but radical Islam.

 

Hamas comes from the Islamic Brotherhood and initially these groups fought against the secular socialist groups like the PFLP, Fatah/PLO, so a wedge was driven between resistance groups and it even came to a point where there was open warfare between PLO and Hamas.

 

However even though Israel helped create Hamas, I dont believe they ever fully controlled it. They probably had spies within the ranks, but I think eventually Hamas grew beyond Israeli control, and they likely killed off many of the Israeli spies.

 

If you look at Hamas' military leadership, they were pretty much all assasinated by the Israelis during the second entifada from 2000-2005.  They assasinated one of the leaders by shooting a hellfire missile from a hellicopter into the old man in his wheelchair.

 

Sorry but that doesn't sound like controlled oppostion to me.  Plenty of even the new leadership has been killed or are hiding.

 

The Mossad attempted to kill Hamas political leader in Jordan.

 

The battle today between Hamas and Israel is very real IMO. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are backed by Iran and Qatar. Their military capabilities have quite improved and they killed quite a few more Israeli soldiers than were expected the last time Israel invaded Gaza.

 

As for the "Hamas shoots rockets so that Israel can retaliate" meme.

 

I think that is bogus. If you look at the news reports Hamas usually denies responsiblity for many of the things Israel accuses them of. While they are also open about the things they do carry out.  I think Israel just carries out false flags and attacks and blames Hamas anyways, but Hamas usually denies responsibility.

 

 

  Dont listen to those "conspiratainment" people who think EVERYTHING is fake.

 

I doubt Israel created Hamas

It's not Israel that controls the NWO

It's the SS govt

 

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For those who know ....Hamas was created by Shin Bet , back in the 80's as a foil to Arafat and the Fatah movement....drive a wedge in Palestinian solidarity .... as you can see, by now it's worked well.....Fatah in west bank , Hamas in Gaza. A good example Bibi's last election campaign, days before election day, rocket attacks from Gaza, a few dead Israeli's and Bibi's winning election. Fear works wonders

Mossad /Shin Bet  murder Hamas leaders ?...sure , those who don't do as their told

Controlled opposition , works every time...anti-Semitism in the states, look carefully you'll find the ADL

 

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