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11 hours ago, Basket Case said:


Yes it is...it's a measurable distance. Be it miles / kilometers... lt gives you numbers/values to work with.
The distance between 2 different places on the Earth is not 'nothing'.
Your logic is a little odd.

 

The 'measurement' of the distance or span (probably a better word for it) between New York and LA is 2500 miles. That's the VALUE of the QUANTITY.

 

The QUANTITY is 0, or 1 (interchangeable, depending on your preference or interpretation).

 

The logic might seem a little odd, but it's right.

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7 minutes ago, size of light said:

The QUANTITY is 0


Can you explain this or link to something l can read ?

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1 hour ago, Basket Case said:


Can you explain this or link to something l can read ?

 

The 'span' between two points isn't a 'thing' (1); it's a gap (0), like the absence of rock between two cliffs.

 

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You can understand it in an abstract sense as an 'absence' (0) of rock, but the moment you do, you also make it into an abstract 'something' (1) by conceptualising that absence or relative spatial separation.

 

In other words, the moment you think about or discuss 'nothing' (0), you automatically make it into an abstract 'something' (1) at the same time, without affecting the nothing.

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10 hours ago, size of light said:

 

The 'span' between two points isn't a 'thing' (1); it's a gap (0), like the absence of rock between two cliffs.

 

image.png.251b15fe2c8392f2228c4deb91055a10.png

 

You can understand it in an abstract sense as an 'absence' (0) of rock, but the moment you do, you also make it into an abstract 'something' (1) by conceptualising that absence or relative spatial separation.

 

In other words, the moment you think about or discuss 'nothing' (0), you automatically make it into an abstract 'something' (1) at the same time, without affecting the nothing.


The mathematical question is 0 divided by  0 = 
Not 'no rock' divided by 'no rock' =  
 

As the Numberphile video demonstrates '0' in the middle of a number system graph ' x - y'  '-' and '+'  so when coming at '0' from different angles with different equations gives different answers.
Hence 0 divided by 0 is classified by the term 'undefined'.
0 is unique in this regard.
0 divided by 0 cannot be defined, as agreed by mathematicians worldwide.

The concept of no-thing / nothing as opposed to something does not give a solid and defined answer to the question of division 0 in our numbers system.
0 isn't 1 
0 isn't 2
0 isn't 3 etc...
So 0 cannot be the absence of every single number stretching to infinity.
lt is of itself a singular value which when inserted into equations gives consistent results except when divided by itself.
lt's all demonstrated in the video. 

Can you explain where in the video they have 'gone wrong' ?

 

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17 hours ago, size of light said:

The 'span' between two points isn't a 'thing' (1); it's a gap (0), like the absence of rock between two cliffs.

 

As Sol is saying .... really there is no actual distance between anything thus all distance = 0

 

The only difference between 2 (which is another subject lol) points is the 'time' it takes to 'travel'!

 

Take 100 miles .... light would take (supposedly from our point of view, which would be different if you 'rode' the light) 0.0005r sec .... BUT if you traveled at an infinite speed then it would take no 'time' (or even a negative time) ....... thus 'distance' doesn't exist and equals zero.

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2 hours ago, ink said:

 

As Sol is saying .... really there is no actual distance between anything thus all distance = 0

 

The only difference between 2 (which is another subject lol) points is the 'time' it takes to 'travel'!

 

Take 100 miles .... light would take (supposedly from our point of view, which would be different if you 'rode' the light) 0.0005r sec .... BUT if you traveled at an infinite speed then it would take no 'time' (or even a negative time) ....... thus 'distance' doesn't exist and equals zero.


Agreed.
But this is still different from the use of '0' in applied mathematics.

Cross purpose here.....
0 as used in Maths.
0 - nothing - as a concept

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9 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

0 as used in Maths.

 

Yes .... The limited form of knowledge :)

 

Take a Bound Infinity .... and then the 'math' actions correctly in it's limited form!

 

No problem with that :)

 

But we are not here to learn and act via a limitation .... or I do not think so!

 

And 'we' are not meant to be 'bound'!

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